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Chrischb wrote:

Right, let's get this settled.

1. They're fun. This is not what the forums are for! If you want fun, find a different forum. This is a Scratch Forum, and it will stay a Scratch Forum. And cheddargirl said brilliantly that people have been turning to the Text-Based-Games as an entertainment source rather than programming. If you use Scratch just for the forums, find a different site.
2. They can keep you from being bored when you're waiting for a reply from another forum. If that can, so will helping other people in the other forums!
3. If people want to spend all their time on it, there's nothing wrong with that. It's their problem, yes, but why should we stand by it? They can waste their lives somewhere else. Once again, find a different forum. You can still use this one, but play games on a different forum.
4. If it gets deleted, Inspiration and More will just become a Text-Based-Games forum. Why can't the moderators treat them as they do chatrooms? If someone creates a chatroom, it gets closed. Why not? People will learn not to start games.
5. Everyone will get mad, and several people will quit. So? We will be left with a bunch of loyal, helpful Scratchers and the forums will be a better place. I (and the rest of us) don't want people to quit. It's a sad thing, but if that's all they use the forums for, we're better off without them.
6. If MIT wanted to get rid of it, they would. Sure! But it's up to andresmh and the rest of the Scratch Team to change it, but they never read the Suggestions anyway. If you're wondering why we've bothered to suggest it, have a think; If you don't ask for it, you won't get it.
7. Some people have only things like DSis, so pretty much the only thing they can do is text based games. Once again, find a different forum.

1. Yeah, duh, that's what the TBG is about. Having fun. And it's a lot easier to use the Scratch Forums then to get a new account that you have to find yourself, and figure out how to use the forum's code. Plus, there probably wouldn't be as many people to play with.
2. The other forums are kind of boring. The TBGs are fun.
3. Once again, finding a different forum is hard.
4. They won't care, and there will be a lot more TBGs than chat rooms. There's hardly any chatrooms.
5. Why would we be better off without them? Nothing would be different in the other threads (exept for spam and TBGs).
6. Well, I certainly hope you don't get it your way.
7. ......................................................................................................................

martianshark wrote:

Chrischb wrote:

Right, let's get this settled.

1. They're fun. This is not what the forums are for! If you want fun, find a different forum. This is a Scratch Forum, and it will stay a Scratch Forum. And cheddargirl said brilliantly that people have been turning to the Text-Based-Games as an entertainment source rather than programming. If you use Scratch just for the forums, find a different site.
2. They can keep you from being bored when you're waiting for a reply from another forum. If that can, so will helping other people in the other forums!
3. If people want to spend all their time on it, there's nothing wrong with that. It's their problem, yes, but why should we stand by it? They can waste their lives somewhere else. Once again, find a different forum. You can still use this one, but play games on a different forum.
4. If it gets deleted, Inspiration and More will just become a Text-Based-Games forum. Why can't the moderators treat them as they do chatrooms? If someone creates a chatroom, it gets closed. Why not? People will learn not to start games.
5. Everyone will get mad, and several people will quit. So? We will be left with a bunch of loyal, helpful Scratchers and the forums will be a better place. I (and the rest of us) don't want people to quit. It's a sad thing, but if that's all they use the forums for, we're better off without them.
6. If MIT wanted to get rid of it, they would. Sure! But it's up to andresmh and the rest of the Scratch Team to change it, but they never read the Suggestions anyway. If you're wondering why we've bothered to suggest it, have a think; If you don't ask for it, you won't get it.
7. Some people have only things like DSis, so pretty much the only thing they can do is text based games. Once again, find a different forum.

1. Yeah, duh, that's what the TBG is about. Having fun. And it's a lot easier to use the Scratch Forums then to get a new account that you have to find yourself, and figure out how to use the forum's code. Plus, there probably wouldn't be as many people to play with.
2. The other forums are kind of boring. The TBGs are fun.
3. Once again, finding a different forum is hard.
4. They won't care, and there will be a lot more TBGs than chat rooms. There's hardly any chatrooms.
5. Why would we be better off without them? Nothing would be different in the other threads (exept for spam and TBGs).
6. Well, I certainly hope you don't get it your way.
7. ......................................................................................................................

1. So what if you have trouble finding your fun? I'm sorry if you get upset if it gets deleted, but it does not belong to the Scratch Forums.
2. They are not supposed to be fun! That's not the point of those forums! The point is to help other users. If you don't want any boring forums, try a different website.
3. Then make your own.
4. It doesn't matter at all if there are more games than chatrooms. They will be closed anyway, and it will be known that it's forbidden. A sticky could be put up as well to explain it.
5. We will be better without them, because all focus and attention will be directed to helping other Scratchers. If you don't want to help, find a different forum.
6. And vice versa. 

I am cutting off the quoting so this post doesn't become longer and longer.

1. You just don't get it! The Scratch Forums are not for playing games. They are for helping other Scratchers, suggesting things, reporting bugs, and the like. I can not phrase it any better. You just have to understand.
2. In the Terms of Use, I wish they would state "If you post in the forums, you agree to the fact that you will use the Scratch Forums in a benificial way; ie. giving your views on suggestions, helping other Scratchers, you get it (hopefully). Benificial is not playing games. Tell me: would the Scratch Team like it if you were benificial to the Scratch Community, or would they rather have you play games?

Personally, I have more fun being benificial. Honest! 
3. They won't have to go back and forth if they are benificial.

If the Text-Based Games do get deleted, they will bother to go to the other websites.
4. Have you ever deleted one of your posts? It only take thirty seconds (probably less). And if it got really bad, there would be five new games in All About Scratch and Inspiration and More, which adds up to ten. Thirty seconds multiplied by ten equals three-hundred, and three-hundred seconds is equal to five minutes. So people can remove ten topics in five minutes. There.
5. You can't stop spammers, so they don't count. But Text-Based Games addicts can be stopped. You delete the games that they thrive on, and they die (well, if they were insects, but you addicts would just move to a different forum. Good luck on your migration).
(6. is left out because of confusion between the two of us).
7. I do. Except for the fact that I welcome their opinions to my surveys and suggestion.

Extra 1.
1. Why do people have to go on a programming website to stop their boredom? They can always go to a game website. Or they can visit the Scratch Website and be helpful to the Community.
2. Inspiring? Have you ever heard of the forum Inspiration and More? Honestly, it's right next to the Text-Based Games.
3. Why can't anyone read my posts? Often they say that I am not against fun, it's just that I don't like the idea of the Text-Based Games! Please.

Extra 2.
See 4. about the spam. And for the madness, they would either quit (and we won't hear of their anger), or they would decide to be a helpful Scratcher to the Community. Or they'll not fare too well.

Good luck, addicts,
Jonathanpb

Last edited by Jonathanpb (2009-10-03 02:10:34)

Chrischb wrote:

1. They're fun. This is not what the forums are for! If you want fun, find a different forum. This is a Scratch Forum, and it will stay a Scratch Forum. And cheddargirl said brilliantly that people have been turning to the Text-Based-Games as an entertainment source rather than programming. If you use Scratch just for the forums, find a different site.
2. They can keep you from being bored when you're waiting for a reply from another forum. If that can, so will helping other people in the other forums!
3. If people want to spend all their time on it, there's nothing wrong with that. It's their problem, yes, but why should we stand by it? They can waste their lives somewhere else. Once again, find a different forum. You can still use this one, but play games on a different forum.
4. If it gets deleted, Inspiration and More will just become a Text-Based-Games forum. Why can't the moderators treat them as they do chatrooms? If someone creates a chatroom, it gets closed. Why not? People will learn not to start games.
5. Everyone will get mad, and several people will quit. So? We will be left with a bunch of loyal, helpful Scratchers and the forums will be a better place. I (and the rest of us) don't want people to quit. It's a sad thing, but if that's all they use the forums for, we're better off without them.
6. If MIT wanted to get rid of it, they would. Sure! But it's up to andresmh and the rest of the Scratch Team to change it, but they never read the Suggestions anyway. If you're wondering why we've bothered to suggest it, have a think; If you don't ask for it, you won't get it.
7. Some people have only things like DSis, so pretty much the only thing they can do is text based games. Once again, find a different forum.

1. Obviously, at least they can give the forums some humour and prevent off topic posts can't they? 
2. Sometimes you don't have time to explain in detail what to do, so you could just do a quick post in TBG.
3. If TBG didn't exist, because Inspiration and More only takes things like casual stuff and your website, then the Scratch Team would delete all these posts, because they do not fit in Inspiration and More.
4. Yeah but TBG is the only place where you can do that sort of things, and when a forum has a text based game, it just gets moved to TBG.
5. But that's what's NOT supposed to happen. Scratch is supposed to be a place which welcomes any kind of person(As long as friendly).
6. They do read suggestions. 
7. But then at least they can play a game instead of just writing.

andriangl wrote:

This is really getting annoying! As far as we know, TBG will stay! There is no problem with it and it actually prevents spam on other threads. If there was a real reason to delete TBG and this discussion was going on, the Scratch Team might actually consider deleting TBG. But, that isn't happening. So like I said, get over it!

I agree.

Mr_X wrote:

Lol you said that like a tv show announcer

Lol I know 

i agree, just add one more person that agrees with you in your sig.

Chrischb wrote:

martianshark wrote:

Chrischb wrote:

1. They're fun. This is not what the forums are for! If you want fun, find a different forum. This is a Scratch Forum, and it will stay a Scratch Forum. And cheddargirl said brilliantly that people have been turning to the Text-Based-Games as an entertainment source rather than programming. If you use Scratch just for the forums, find a different site.
2. They can keep you from being bored when you're waiting for a reply from another forum. If that can, so will helping other people in the other forums!
3. If people want to spend all their time on it, there's nothing wrong with that. It's their problem, yes, but why should we stand by it? They can waste their lives somewhere else. Once again, find a different forum. You can still use this one, but play games on a different forum.
4. If it gets deleted, Inspiration and More will just become a Text-Based-Games forum. Why can't the moderators treat them as they do chatrooms? If someone creates a chatroom, it gets closed. Why not? People will learn not to start games.
5. Everyone will get mad, and several people will quit. So? We will be left with a bunch of loyal, helpful Scratchers and the forums will be a better place. I (and the rest of us) don't want people to quit. It's a sad thing, but if that's all they use the forums for, we're better off without them.
6. If MIT wanted to get rid of it, they would. Sure! But it's up to andresmh and the rest of the Scratch Team to change it, but they never read the Suggestions anyway. If you're wondering why we've bothered to suggest it, have a think; If you don't ask for it, you won't get it.
7. Some people have only things like DSis, so pretty much the only thing they can do is text based games. Once again, find a different forum.

1. Yeah, duh, that's what the TBG is about. Having fun. And it's a lot easier to use the Scratch Forums then to get a new account that you have to find yourself, and figure out how to use the forum's code. Plus, there probably wouldn't be as many people to play with.
2. The other forums are kind of boring. The TBGs are fun.
3. Once again, finding a different forum is hard.
4. They won't care, and there will be a lot more TBGs than chat rooms. There's hardly any chatrooms.
5. Why would we be better off without them? Nothing would be different in the other threads (exept for spam and TBGs).
6. Well, I certainly hope you don't get it your way.
7. ......................................................................................................................

1. So what if you have trouble finding your fun? I'm sorry if you get upset if it gets deleted, but it does not belong to the Scratch Forums.
2. They are not supposed to be fun! That's not the point of those forums! The point is to help other users. If you don't want any boring forums, try a different website.
3. Then make your own.
4. It doesn't matter at all if there are more games than chatrooms. They will be closed anyway, and it will be known that it's forbidden. A sticky could be put up as well to explain it.
5. We will be better without them, because all focus and attention will be directed to helping other Scratchers. If you don't want to help, find a different forum.
6. And vice versa. 

1. No, it's perfectly fine in the Scratch Forums. There's nothing wrong with it, and if it got deleted, it would just cause trouble.
2. Ummmmm... okay, then why would I ever use the forums if they're not any fun at all? Part of the reason that some people use the other forums is because they can do TBG while their waiting.
3. I don't know how, but even if I did, there would be very few people to play with, and you wouldn't be able to play things such as Scratch Block Wars.
4. As I've said a million times, they won't care. They will post lots of spam and there would be too much. If they put a sticky up, they still won't care.
5. So what if all the attention is on other forums? They were never going to post in them anyway, they would just stay in the TBG section. And what if someone was about to become a helpful scratcher, but then the TBGs were deleted, and they quit? In fact, the only reason I started using the forums is because of TBG. If I never found that section, I probably never would have used the other forums.
6. lol 

You know, with some changes, TBG could actualy become very helpful to the Scratch community. They could make some sort of rule that says,"you can only post in the TBGs if you make at least one post in every other section (exept for other languages). Also, they could make it so that the TBG won't count towards your post count. This way, TBG players will have to post in other forums before they can play, and the Scratch community would be much more helpful.

I can't beleive that people are still fighting about this -_-

martianshark wrote:

Chrischb wrote:

martianshark wrote:

1. Yeah, duh, that's what the TBG is about. Having fun. And it's a lot easier to use the Scratch Forums then to get a new account that you have to find yourself, and figure out how to use the forum's code. Plus, there probably wouldn't be as many people to play with.
2. The other forums are kind of boring. The TBGs are fun.
3. Once again, finding a different forum is hard.
4. They won't care, and there will be a lot more TBGs than chat rooms. There's hardly any chatrooms.
5. Why would we be better off without them? Nothing would be different in the other threads (exept for spam and TBGs).
6. Well, I certainly hope you don't get it your way.
7. ......................................................................................................................

1. So what if you have trouble finding your fun? I'm sorry if you get upset if it gets deleted, but it does not belong to the Scratch Forums.
2. They are not supposed to be fun! That's not the point of those forums! The point is to help other users. If you don't want any boring forums, try a different website.
3. Then make your own.
4. It doesn't matter at all if there are more games than chatrooms. They will be closed anyway, and it will be known that it's forbidden. A sticky could be put up as well to explain it.
5. We will be better without them, because all focus and attention will be directed to helping other Scratchers. If you don't want to help, find a different forum.
6. And vice versa. 

1. No, it's perfectly fine in the Scratch Forums. There's nothing wrong with it, and if it got deleted, it would just cause trouble.
2. Ummmmm... okay, then why would I ever use the forums if they're not any fun at all? Part of the reason that some people use the other forums is because they can do TBG while their waiting.
3. I don't know how, but even if I did, there would be very few people to play with, and you wouldn't be able to play things such as Scratch Block Wars.
4. As I've said a million times, they won't care. They will post lots of spam and there would be too much. If they put a sticky up, they still won't care.
5. So what if all the attention is on other forums? They were never going to post in them anyway, they would just stay in the TBG section. And what if someone was about to become a helpful scratcher, but then the TBGs were deleted, and they quit? In fact, the only reason I started using the forums is because of TBG. If I never found that section, I probably never would have used the other forums.
6. lol 

You know, with some changes, TBG could actualy become very helpful to the Scratch community. They could make some sort of rule that says,"you can only post in the TBGs if you make at least one post in every other section (exept for other languages). Also, they could make it so that the TBG won't count towards your post count. This way, TBG players will have to post in other forums before they can play, and the Scratch community would be much more helpful.

1. Nothing wrong with it? That's true, if you don't count costing the Scratch Team money, taking up server space (which consequently slows the website down), distracting attention from helping others, etc..
For causing trouble, so what? I'm sorry if it gets deleted and you get upset, but why can't you find a different forum?
2. You don't have to use the forums. If it's no fun at all, and you need fun to use the forums, go find one that's fun enough for you.
For waiting, did you read my points? If you can play the Text-Based-Games while you're waiting, you should be able to help others out as well!
3. Yes, I am forced to give in a slight bit. You can't have Scratch themed games, but the percentage of those is very small, only about 1.28%! And anyway, Scratch can't be the only populated forum out there!
4. Yeah, they won't care, until they get banned.
5. If you were never going to post in them anyway, stop using the forums if it gets deleted.
If someone wants to be a helpful Scratcher, they would not quit if it gets deleted! Obviously.
The real helpers wouldn't need any games to help others out.
6. I like making jokes.           

@This topic
TL;DR

EVERYONE!! Have you not noticed this post?

andresmh wrote:

The Scratch team is analyzing this issue and will come up with a solution in collaboration with the forums moderators. Stay tuned.

It's up to them now. So stop arguing, this is getting way out of hand!

How about we close this? I agree with samurai768; it's no use arguing, and a topic will be made in the Announcements once the Scratch Team makes up their mind.
There's a good topic in the Inspiration and More that brings all of us together with no arguing.

martianshark wrote:

Chrischb wrote:

martianshark wrote:

1. No, it's perfectly fine in the Scratch Forums. There's nothing wrong with it, and if it got deleted, it would just cause trouble.
2. Ummmmm... okay, then why would I ever use the forums if they're not any fun at all? Part of the reason that some people use the other forums is because they can do TBG while their waiting.
3. I don't know how, but even if I did, there would be very few people to play with, and you wouldn't be able to play things such as Scratch Block Wars.
4. As I've said a million times, they won't care. They will post lots of spam and there would be too much. If they put a sticky up, they still won't care.
5. So what if all the attention is on other forums? They were never going to post in them anyway, they would just stay in the TBG section. And what if someone was about to become a helpful scratcher, but then the TBGs were deleted, and they quit? In fact, the only reason I started using the forums is because of TBG. If I never found that section, I probably never would have used the other forums.
6. lol 

You know, with some changes, TBG could actualy become very helpful to the Scratch community. They could make some sort of rule that says,"you can only post in the TBGs if you make at least one post in every other section (exept for other languages). Also, they could make it so that the TBG won't count towards your post count. This way, TBG players will have to post in other forums before they can play, and the Scratch community would be much more helpful.

1. Nothing wrong with it? That's true, if you don't count costing the Scratch Team money, taking up server space (which consequently slows the website down), distracting attention from helping others, etc..
For causing trouble, so what? I'm sorry if it gets deleted and you get upset, but why can't you find a different forum?
2. You don't have to use the forums. If it's no fun at all, and you need fun to use the forums, go find one that's fun enough for you.
For waiting, did you read my points? If you can play the Text-Based-Games while you're waiting, you should be able to help others out as well!
3. Yes, I am forced to give in a slight bit. You can't have Scratch themed games, but the percentage of those is very small, only about 1.28%! And anyway, Scratch can't be the only populated forum out there!
4. Yeah, they won't care, until they get banned.
5. If you were never going to post in them anyway, stop using the forums if it gets deleted.
If someone wants to be a helpful Scratcher, they would not quit if it gets deleted! Obviously.
The real helpers wouldn't need any games to help others out.
6. I like making jokes.           

1. You still don't get how the internet works. They have their own website already. Having TBG doesn't cost any money, and having more server space doesn't slow the internet down. A slow internet depends on whether or not you have DSL. Also, how does it distract people from helping others? All the other forums do the same thing.
2. If the TBGs weren't fun, I wouldn't be using any other forums ever.
3. I havn't seen any other game forums. What gives you the idea that another one exists?
4. Yeah, they still won't care, because they'll just get another account.
5. That's not what I meant. What I meant was that by playing text based games, I learned how to use the forums, and afterward I used the other forums.
They might. With all of the bad stuff that's going on lately on the website, they will eventualy have enough, and quit.
6. That was a joke?           

1. The servers that host the scratch website only have so much server space. With all the forum posts *I believe* the website slows down.
2. I've never seen you post any where other than TBG and IoM. We'd be left with the people who cared about helping others more than playing games.
3. Enjoy: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=34
4. And then they'll get IP banned and never be able to come to the website again . . .
5. But he uses the other parts . . . and helps people . . .

EDIT: Fixed link

Last edited by demosthenes (2009-10-06 07:53:05)