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#1 2009-09-26 09:09:02

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Jesus or God?

I'm Muslim and I'm sort of a theologist, I like learning about different religions, as well as mine. Still, the one thing that puzzles me with Christianity, is that some people will flat out say we worship God. But some people will say Jesus, and then I ask them how Jesus can be God, when there is "God", the one that allowed Mary to have Jesus, already. They are just as puzzled as I am on that one. So could any Christian help me with this so I can better understand your religion please. Thanks.


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#2 2009-09-26 09:26:03

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Re: Jesus or God?

I was born Christian; but I belive in the Bing Bang theory, including my own scientific Theory. Anyways, I hear a angel told Mary to name her new son Jesus, and that Jesus WAS god. I have absolutly NO idea if this is what Christians belive, but I bet this is true.


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#3 2009-09-26 09:37:58

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That's the one thing I don't understand. People give me mixed answers as to how Jesus can be God, and there is already God.  hmm


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#4 2009-09-26 09:59:24

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WeirdF wrote:

There's a million biblical contradictions that you could list. Like the fact that you can't worship anyone except God, yet people worship prophets. Just don't bother with it, if I were you, I'd stick with Islam and stop worrying about Jesus and God. I think you believe that Jesus was simply a great prophet, you don't bother with the 'Son of God' malarkey.

Well yes I believe he was a great prophet, but please don't insult peoples' religons.


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#5 2009-09-26 10:08:30

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Insult? I wasn't trying to insult... Oh, right... I see what I did wrong. Well, I don't believe in the Son of God, I believe Jesus was a good teacher.


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#6 2009-09-26 10:34:06

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Re: Jesus or God?

steppenwulf wrote:

I'm Muslim and I'm sort of a theologist, I like learning about different religions, as well as mine. Still, the one thing that puzzles me with Christianity, is that some people will flat out say we worship God. But some people will say Jesus, and then I ask them how Jesus can be God, when there is "God", the one that allowed Mary to have Jesus, already. They are just as puzzled as I am on that one. So could any Christian help me with this so I can better understand your religion please. Thanks.


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#7 2009-09-26 10:43:59

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Re: Jesus or God?

zawicki1fromyoutube wrote:

Jesus already existed in heaven, and God placed Jesus in Mary's womb, so Jesus could come to earth. He is half God, and half man. Without him dieing for our sins, we will all go to hell, but now we have the option to be saved and go to heaven (aka paradise) or hell (the lake of fire) and burn.

i couldnt of put it better myself  smile

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#8 2009-09-26 11:01:12

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Re: Jesus or God?

Note that what I am about to say is based off of what I have learned in a private Catholic school. Considering that there are many branches of Christianity, I am not saying that my view is the one that generalizes Christian doctrine in general.

This is how I learned it from Catholic School: The idea of God seems to be embodied in three forms: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit. Hence the term 'Trinity' that you may sometimes hear.... I know, it gets kind of a bit funky here, and to be honest, I'm having a bit of difficulty right now trying to give the correct explanation for it (because I can assure you the idea of a Trinity is not a polytheistic view of God). In relation to Jesus, it kind of has to relate with an explanation of Christ's divinity. I know you probably want a more genuine answer than what I have said, and I really want to give you the answer so that you may ponder it more (and question any fallacies you may find with it). Sadly, the answer is high atop my bookshelf having cruelly been put there by my mother (who incidentally bounded the book by masking tape as a way to keep the religion notes organized!). I suppose if you're patient, you can wait for me to edit this post so that I can give the the more accurate answer as the Catholic Church explains it.

EDIT:
I stated before earlier in this post the idea of the Holy Trinity. They are all of the same divine nature. I have it here that they "are inseparable, but distinct". In reality, the "God" being worshiped in the Catholic Church is this "divine nature", not Jesus.

The second of the Trinity, Jesus, was both fully human and fully divine. The idea of "God the Son" is the idea of the divine nature taking on a human form. It is important to note here that saying that when people think that Jesus was "God-incarnate" is somewhat inaccurate; it makes more sense to use a reference to Jesus as "Trinity-incarnate". Basically, when a Catholic worships Jesus, they are really worshiping the divine nature that Jesus represents, not Jesus as a person.

Looking up the subject a bit further, it seems that it is easier to look towards Jesus in worship because of Jesus' human nature. I don't know if all Christians see Jesus the same way as I have explained it above, but it seems to be the most likely reason why Catholics look towards Him.

Hopefully, I've answered your question. But still keep in mind this is from a [Roman] Catholic viewpoint, not a general Christian one.

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#9 2009-09-26 11:12:42

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I like Jesus better as a mere human being.  it makes his standing up to authority much more heroic than if he were just an appendage of a supreme deity, confident in his ability to produce miracles to order.

As I understand it, what Jesus mostly stood for was the destruction of dogmatic worship in which the name of god was being used to wield political power and generate wealth.

Ironically, we seem to have come full circle with many Christian organisations being just as dogmatic, political and wealthy as the Pharisees that Jesus sought to topple.


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#10 2009-09-26 11:13:31

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In a way, Jesus is God. Jesus is God the Son, God is God the Father. But God did create Jesus, therefore above him.


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#11 2009-09-26 11:28:05

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Re: Jesus or God?

cheddargirl wrote:

Note that what I am about to say is based off of what I have learned in a private Catholic school. Considering that there are many branches of Christianity, I am not saying that my view is the one that generalizes Christian doctrine in general.

This is how I learned it from Catholic School: The idea of God seems to be embodied in three forms: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit. Hence the term 'Trinity' that you may sometimes hear.... I know, it gets kind of a bit funky here, and to be honest, I'm having a bit of difficulty right now trying to give the correct explanation for it (because I can assure you the idea of a Trinity is not a polytheistic view of God). In relation to Jesus, it kind of has to relate with an explanation of Christ's divinity. I know you probably want a more genuine answer than what I have said, and I really want to give you the answer so that you may ponder it more (and question any fallacies you may find with it). Sadly, the answer is high atop my bookshelf having cruelly been put there by my mother (who incidentally bounded the book by masking tape as a way to keep the religion notes organized!). I suppose if you're patient, you can wait for me to edit this post so that I can give the the more accurate answer as the Catholic Church explains it.

Yes I will wait, thank you  smile


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#12 2009-09-27 15:36:38

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Re: Jesus or God?

steppenwulf wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

I suppose if you're patient, you can wait for me to edit this post so that I can give the the more accurate answer as the Catholic Church explains it.

Yes I will wait, thank you  smile

Hopefully I found what you were looking for. I've edited my previous post above.  smile


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#13 2009-09-27 20:25:45

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Re: Jesus or God?

cheddargirl wrote:

steppenwulf wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

I suppose if you're patient, you can wait for me to edit this post so that I can give the the more accurate answer as the Catholic Church explains it.

Yes I will wait, thank you  smile

Hopefully I found what you were looking for. I've edited my previous post above.  smile

Thanks cheddargirl, that cleared things up a bit.  big_smile


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#14 2009-09-27 21:02:07

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Re: Jesus or God?

neither. religions cause too much trouble in the world


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#15 2009-09-27 21:11:41

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fireball123 wrote:

neither. religions cause too much trouble in the world

I wasn't asking for anyone's view on religions. I was asking a question about Christianity.


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