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#26 2009-06-07 13:27:02

fullmoon
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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

ScratchScripter wrote:

fullmoon wrote:

Any plans for a Linux version? I was just getting excited about 1.3 on my Ubuntu system and now this! I will try it with Wine, but it will likely have the same sound and timing issues 1.3.1 did.

You could install 1.3.1 and replace the image file at /usr/share/scratch/ with the 1.4 one. (I have xubuntu 9.04, it should be the same for ubuntu)

Awesomeness! The only thing is that the new .dll's won't work. I have 1.4 working reasonably well under Wine anyway.


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#27 2009-06-07 13:58:27

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

I tried it... it ROCKS! I made an adding game... took 5 minutes with the Answer Tab Try it here!

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#28 2009-06-07 14:06:32

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

Thanks for releasing this early, otherwise I think I would have died of impatience, however, I have a pretty serious bug to report. When uploaded, projects using the ask feature do not reset at all, you should fix that as now to reset I have to use the refresh button. I have done some more research and it seems that other such projects are resetting fine. Why might this be?

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#29 2009-06-07 14:45:50

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

Make the color palette more detailed.


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#30 2009-06-07 14:49:22

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

i have a bad connection so it might take awhile to download but it want it so im gonna get it

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#31 2009-06-07 15:05:43

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

I downloaded the zip version and its really laggy  sad  Computer: Windows Vista
Probably has to do with the zip though...

EDIT: still laggy....

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#32 2009-06-07 15:12:35

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

johnadmin wrote:

Yes, the experimental "mesh" feature was removed.

The "mesh" feature was a way to connect two (or more) computers running Scratch so that they could communicate. It appeared in one of the beta versions so that we could try it in a workshop session at MIT Scratch Day. It clearly has a lot of potential, but in that version it was also difficult to set up a mesh (e.g. you had to type in raw IP addresses) and some aspects of the communication were confusing.

Networked Scratch has potential, but it needs more work. We will continue to think about it and perhaps it will appear in a future version of Scratch.

  -- John

Personally, I'm quite happy about this. I was pretty frustrated when 1.4 beta came into full public view, and since this feature has been removed, I'm glad that this won't completely confuse the young scratchers that have gotten their hands on it. I now do not have to worry about insanely simple versions of the mutiplayer game I was to release (It was a chatbox-type thing in Scratch). The mesh feature was also incredibly unreliable, so putting out a complicated feature that barely works would cause a lot of problems.


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#33 2009-06-07 15:22:48

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

At some point after the final 1.4 release is out we will update the "experimental" Linux package to 1.4. Meanwhile, you can definitely do as ScratchScripter suggests.

One bit of good news for Linux users: the note and drum blocks actually do something in Scratch 1.4. Changing the instrument doesn't change the sound, but you can get a sense of what a project using those blocks is doing.

The new features to support the camera and the LEGO WeDo won't work on Linux until someone (me, probably) builds the equivalent functionality for Linux. (This functionality is provided by the CameraPlugin and WeDoPlugin DLL's on Windows.) I'm not sure when that will happen.

  -- John

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#34 2009-06-07 15:27:11

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

johnadmin wrote:

At some point after the release is out we will update the "experimental" Linux package to 1.4. Meanwhile, you can definitely do what ScratchScripter suggests.

One bit of good news for Linux users: the note and drum blocks actually do something in Scratch 1.4. Changing the instrument doesn't change the sound, but you can get a sense of what a project using those blocks is doing.

  -- John

Great! Now people from all diferent types of OS'S can use the Preliminary version of scratch. I have Windows XP personaly.

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#35 2009-06-07 15:31:58

mkolpnji
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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

Bug: When importing/opening a project originally programmed in Scratch 1.3.1.
Many scripts do not work unless replaced...


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#36 2009-06-07 15:32:02

johnadmin
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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

Vista Issue

I've gotten a report from a Vista user that Scratch is not re-painting the screen when the window is resized. This problem will be fixed in the final version. It seems to work fine on Windows XP.

  -- John

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#37 2009-06-07 15:35:06

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

I kind of liked the old paint better (Scratch Paint) because I am used to it. Anyone else?

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#38 2009-06-07 15:38:23

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

mkolpnji wrote:

Bug: When importing/opening a project originally programmed in Scratch 1.3.1.
Many scripts do not work unless replaced...

Hi, mkolpnji.

I haven't seen this problem, and I've run a lot 1.3.1 projects in Scratch 1.4. Could you email a problem report to help@scratch.mit.edu? It would be great if you could attach the project you're having trouble with to your email.

Thanks!

  -- John

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#39 2009-06-07 15:44:24

johnadmin
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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

Hi, kgordon.

Thanks for the problem report!

I looked it your project "What can be done with scratch 1.4" and it seems to work as I would expect. Could you say more about what's not working? Or is there another project that I should look at?

  -- John

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#40 2009-06-07 16:04:52

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

johnadmin wrote:

mkolpnji wrote:

Bug: When importing/opening a project originally programmed in Scratch 1.3.1.
Many scripts do not work unless replaced...

Hi, mkolpnji.

I haven't seen this problem, and I've run a lot 1.3.1 projects in Scratch 1.4. Could you email a problem report to help@scratch.mit.edu? It would be great if you could attach the project you're having trouble with to your email.

Thanks!

  -- John

My mistake, It actually only seems to be doing that when you import a project into a project... I'll send you it right now.

EDIT: hmm... I can't seem to reproduce the problem... I remember that I was deleting a  scripts in this project: http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/mkolpnji/260687.
Then i undeleted it to get back some of the blocks I used in there... Later when I tried to use them with the command When flag clicked, it didn't work. I even tried to double click them to make them work... the blocks were the set variable to "something" blocks. I remember also copying and pasting some of the contents of the blocks...

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#41 2009-06-07 16:09:23

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

Here is a bug for the new online player:

http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=17837


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#42 2009-06-07 16:20:29

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

BoltBait wrote:

Here is a bug for the new online player:

http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=17837

I've seen that problem happen on the Scratch 1.3 player too. I guess it's the same player.

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#43 2009-06-07 16:26:15

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

I'm downloading it...Tick,Tock,Tick,Tock. It has been 7 minutes, and it is only 64% complete!!!!!!! How slow can Wildblue satellite internet be?!?!?!


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#44 2009-06-07 17:02:13

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

Cool, i don't want to get it yet though, I want to wait for the final one.

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#45 2009-06-07 18:07:31

kgordon
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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

johnadmin wrote:

Hi, kgordon.

Thanks for the problem report!

I looked it your project "What can be done with scratch 1.4" and it seems to work as I would expect. Could you say more about what's not working? Or is there another project that I should look at?

  -- John

If it's okay for you then it's fine, for me though it still refuses to reset when the green flag is pushed though. If it's not happening to other people I'm fine with it. Thanks for having a look, the exact situation in which the bug appears is when you have gotten the AI to say something new then push the green flag in which case it doesn't go back to saying the first thing.

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#46 2009-06-07 19:07:22

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

Awww, I am kinda sad that mesh is gone. I mean, if its buggy it could have at least still been kept as a hidden experimental feature.

Oh well  sad


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#47 2009-06-07 19:42:56

Tag4eva
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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

archmage wrote:

Awww, I am kinda sad that mesh is gone. I mean, if its buggy it could have at least still been kept as a hidden experimental feature.

Oh well  sad

It is still a potential feature for future scratch versions.

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#48 2009-06-07 19:46:43

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

Cool!!!!!


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#49 2009-06-07 20:13:41

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

I found a bug, the remote sensor connections are still enabled in my projects.


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#50 2009-06-07 21:26:26

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Re: Preliminary Version of Scratch 1.4 Available for Testing

I love Scratch 1.4! I was like, was so suppose when I saw the color palette, because it was hard to get some certain shades I wanted. Plus the paint editor is now easier to draw on. I can't describe it, but it was like harder to use on the older version.
I don't know if this has been said or asked yet, but how do you use the camera thing?

EDIT - i'm also having a problem with the music i import onto scratch. it sounds all laggy and stuff. is anyone else having this problem?

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