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#1 2009-05-23 04:52:20

Dibbo222
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The next step up from Scratch???

what would you say the 'next step up' from Scratch is? not something as hard as flash but something relatively easy inbetween scratch and flash.

and would you say that Scratch is the simplest game-design software on the net? (that you have tried obviously)

thanks in advance for any of your thoughts...


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#2 2009-05-23 06:01:05

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

I would say that Scratch is the simplest programming language on the internet.

If you want to move up, you could either go for a 3D version of scratch or you could move onto text programming.

Alice is a great step up from scratch as it uses the exact same idea (putting blocks together) but it's 3D. It also has a lot of built in sprites.

Ruby is probably the next step up if you want to go into something like Flash, and it's very simple to do with lots of tutorials.


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#3 2009-05-23 06:09:15

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

Mozaz wrote:

I would say that Scratch is the simplest programming language on the internet.

If you want to move up, you could either go for a 3D version of scratch or you could move onto text programming.

Alice is a great step up from scratch as it uses the exact same idea (putting blocks together) but it's 3D. It also has a lot of built in sprites.

Ruby is probably the next step up if you want to go into something like Flash, and it's very simple to do with lots of tutorials.

THANKS!! those sound very good and i'll have a look at them soon.

yeh i thought you can't rly get much simpler then scratch unless you go into something that has the whole game engine there but you just change your character, the level, enemies, etc. (i've got an old computer program like this, it's bad, lol)

i'd like to see what others think too!


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#4 2009-05-23 08:05:08

coolstuff
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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

Archmage has said that Greenfoot is a great, simple programming language. You should check that out (Google is your friend here)

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#5 2009-05-23 08:17:36

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

flash is not that difficult. Once you get the hang of some basic syntax you'll soon see how similar scratch and flash's programming technique can be.

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#6 2009-05-23 10:30:31

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

yambanshee wrote:

flash is not that difficult. Once you get the hang of some basic syntax you'll soon see how similar scratch and flash's programming technique can be.

so i figure you've tried flash. say a game like bloons tower defense 3 (or any advanced, popular flash game), do you think someone of moderate ability could make a replica of that game without too many difficullties with programming language and scripting. it wud just take ages to make?

in other words, once you know how to make a game with shooting, scrolling, items, lifes, levels, health bars, weapons etc. you could make any game you wish?!?!

like with scratch, i could make a replica of 99% games on scratch (i cudnt do advanced 3d games or ones with HUGE ammounts of maths) - the only probelm would be the time taken to make some of them.

thanks...... (any1 else that wants to respond to this, pls do so)


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#7 2009-05-23 10:45:33

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

If you want to learn how to make a good game in flash, then try Shootorial:

http://www.kongregate.com/labs

It is an amazing tutorial which allows you to make a great game, without any knowledge of flash.

Good luck.


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#8 2009-05-23 11:06:29

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

What I am moving to is python I won't leave scratch until I can comfortably make games in python though.


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#9 2009-05-23 11:10:04

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

i'm ok in python. it's pretty easy. have you tried lua? (not python)


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#10 2009-05-23 11:36:16

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

Dibbo222 wrote:

yambanshee wrote:

flash is not that difficult. Once you get the hang of some basic syntax you'll soon see how similar scratch and flash's programming technique can be.

so i figure you've tried flash. say a game like bloons tower defense 3 (or any advanced, popular flash game), do you think someone of moderate ability could make a replica of that game without too many difficullties with programming language and scripting. it wud just take ages to make?

in other words, once you know how to make a game with shooting, scrolling, items, lifes, levels, health bars, weapons etc. you could make any game you wish?!?!

like with scratch, i could make a replica of 99% games on scratch (i cudnt do advanced 3d games or ones with HUGE ammounts of maths) - the only probelm would be the time taken to make some of them.

thanks...... (any1 else that wants to respond to this, pls do so)

Well look at what scratch user newareagle has made in flash http://areagle.newgrounds.com/

He even has a tower defense game. But, it is kinda obvious that he just used templates from other websites and changed them. The initial coding is most of the hard work and he avoided that  tongue

To be honest, actionscript is the easiest language for professional development I know of.

Scratch is just braindead easy, no memorization, no errors, no complex code.

If you don't have flash then other cool languages to consider are microsoft's popfly, alice, and greenfoot.


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#11 2009-05-23 11:57:43

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

I'm tryin to getr greenfoot, but I need Java SDk or something. I tried to get that, but there are too many to download from.
Heres where I started.

Here is where I am having trouble.

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#12 2009-05-23 14:07:20

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

I'd say Game Maker (basically a Scratch with advanced commands, the option to type code, etc... But it's not free.) or Starlogo TNG (basically a 3D Scratch, also made by MIT students).


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#13 2009-05-24 04:27:46

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

archmage wrote:

Well look at what scratch user newareagle has made in flash http://areagle.newgrounds.com/

He even has a tower defense game. But, it is kinda obvious that he just used templates from other websites and changed them. The initial coding is most of the hard work and he avoided that  tongue

To be honest, actionscript is the easiest language for professional development I know of.

Scratch is just braindead easy, no memorization, no errors, no complex code.

If you don't have flash then other cool languages to consider are microsoft's popfly, alice, and greenfoot.

yeh i've got flash on my computer, i just want something i can make a huge game on, with ease, and it runs as fast as a flash game. i think i'll go into flash but i need somewhere to start. (and i wont try for a few weeks - i got exams on for the next 2 weeks)

any1 got any insprirational stories on how they started flash? lol...


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#14 2009-05-24 06:01:30

Mozaz
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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

Dibbo222 wrote:

archmage wrote:

Well look at what scratch user newareagle has made in flash http://areagle.newgrounds.com/

He even has a tower defense game. But, it is kinda obvious that he just used templates from other websites and changed them. The initial coding is most of the hard work and he avoided that  tongue

To be honest, actionscript is the easiest language for professional development I know of.

Scratch is just braindead easy, no memorization, no errors, no complex code.

If you don't have flash then other cool languages to consider are microsoft's popfly, alice, and greenfoot.

yeh i've got flash on my computer, i just want something i can make a huge game on, with ease, and it runs as fast as a flash game. i think i'll go into flash but i need somewhere to start. (and i wont try for a few weeks - i got exams on for the next 2 weeks)

any1 got any insprirational stories on how they started flash? lol...

Try this for a start in flash: http://www.kongregate.com/labs


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#15 2009-05-24 07:45:52

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

Mozaz wrote:

Try this for a start in flash: http://www.kongregate.com/labs

yeh it looks pretty good, i tried out the game they made.

does it guide you through every step? does it actually teach you something bout flash or is it just "do this, ok, now do that, yep ur done"? like does it explain what ur doing and why?

thx!


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#16 2009-05-27 22:47:14

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

I made some 3D games with Dark GDK. It uses C++ and DirectX and is fairly easy to learn.


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#17 2009-05-28 05:53:11

Mozaz
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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

Dibbo222 wrote:

Mozaz wrote:

Try this for a start in flash: http://www.kongregate.com/labs

yeh it looks pretty good, i tried out the game they made.

does it guide you through every step? does it actually teach you something bout flash or is it just "do this, ok, now do that, yep ur done"? like does it explain what ur doing and why?

thx!

It explains every single piece of code and tells you what everything means etc. Try it out and see for yourself.


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#18 2009-06-30 11:17:47

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

Dibbo222 wrote:

what would you say the 'next step up' from Scratch is? not something as hard as flash but something relatively easy inbetween scratch and flash.

and would you say that Scratch is the simplest game-design software on the net? (that you have tried obviously)

thanks in advance for any of your thoughts...

Probably Starlogo tng, it lets you make 3d games i have it and its awsome!!!
but its a hassle to set it up because:
1. you cant share projects.
2. its a little confusing.... at first look.
3. you have to create an acount just to download it.

more on 3: You put in your email, and they send you an email to where to download it.
and when you get to the place to download it on the internet, you have to enter the username and password from the account you made. JUST TO DOWNLOAD IT!!!
since i dont have an email address, i had to put in my dads email, and go to his computer, and write down the link, and bring it back to my computer, and enter the link...
its worth it though!!!
too bad the files 126 mbs


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#19 2009-06-30 13:26:20

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

Flash is good, but there are two uses for it:
1. If you want to make a program or website quickly, select version 3.0 of ActionScript (flash's programming language)
2. If you want to make a game, better choose version 2.0


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#20 2009-06-30 19:13:34

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

Alice is good. It's a bit mor complicated, has a bit of a different layout, but it's really fun!


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#21 2009-07-02 22:11:19

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

greenflash wrote:

Alice is good. It's a bit mor complicated, has a bit of a different layout, but it's really fun!

Alice is actually quite similar to Scratch. I found it really easy to learn after Scratch.

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#22 2009-07-06 14:44:19

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

I've been using Python.
It is somewhat simple, but not incredibly, if you know what I mean.  smile
There is a great book you can either buy or download from the internet that can help you learn-it (I have been using it).
It's called Snake Wrangling For Kids.

Anyways, I don't want to get too off-topic, so I won't say any more.  smile


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#23 2009-07-16 11:06:40

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Re: The next step up from Scratch???

i cant seem to find where to get flash, when ever i look i either find people talking about it, or the flash player, could some one please give me link?


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