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#301 2011-08-08 15:13:04

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

calebxy wrote:

Not all boys like games where you kill things. I'm a boy and I don't like violent games at all.

Oh finally, a Scratcher remotely like me!  tongue  [/sortofofftopic]

You could use a setting to hide projects that are tagged with "violence" or whatnot, if you don't like it. Schools could save that setting as a cookie, so that all users will not see these projects. Like Parental Controls, but for Scratch.


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#302 2011-11-16 15:02:08

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

rico wrote:

Thank you all for your thoughtful answers. Yes, our school does use Bluecoat filtering that I control, and I could block the Scratch website if necessary. Thank you for pointing out that we don't have to abandon Scratch entirely. We have Scratch installed on our computers, and I am posting the students' completed projects on our school intranet site, so even if I have to block the Scratch website, we can still continue to learn and benefit from Scratch in many ways. For now, I'll keep the Scratch site accessible and see how it goes. It's good if I can teach the students to avoid unacceptable content here at school, maybe these lessons will carry over to their Internet use at home where they may not have filtering software. Here at school, we follow these rules for Internet use...

1. No human victimes.
2. Nothing violent.
3. Nothing mindless.

All of our teachers try to reinforce this. I've got a pretty low tolerance for violence, however, and we have had to block some very good sites because the good outweighs the bad (according to the violence-meter in my mind). For example, Lego.Com has a lot of really good stuff, and we tried to keep the kids on the good stuff and away from the other stuff, but there are so many sword fighting games that the kids just can't seem to avoid, that we finally gave up, and I had to block the site. Anyway, please know that we LOVE
Scratch here at my school, and we are really learning a lot. I am learning along with the students.

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#303 2011-11-16 15:05:12

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

moonunit42 wrote:

If you don't like video game violence don't play violent games!!!

Meh play oo7 is so cool meh kill teh scracth kat with meh assault rifle and meh m16

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#304 2012-05-17 18:38:22

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

Frankly, I think that it's really cool that this discussion of video game ethics is going on here! Thank you rico for starting this, and Scratch On, everyone!  smile


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#305 2012-05-17 18:47:11

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

Rico, I have a game where you shoot the other player, but the players are  dots with lines out of them and the bullets are lines.  It has no blood or anything else.  I think only extremely violent games like with realistic humans and blood should be not allowed.


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#306 2012-06-17 11:03:17

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

Firedrake969 wrote:

Rico, I have a game where you shoot the other player, but the players are  dots with lines out of them and the bullets are lines.  It has no blood or anything else.  I think only extremely violent games like with realistic humans and blood should be not allowed.

Yeah, I have a game like that with airplanes, and I've never had anyone complain that it was violent. I think that a certain amount of violence in the media is unavoidable these days, and so long as it's not graphic, a little shoot-em-up can be fun sometimes.


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#307 2012-06-30 17:11:33

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

What if I have a game where people need to kill these worms that are eating the rancher's live stock but guns and other weapons don't hurt them much so they need to kill them by making the worms dig out into a cliff or ramming it at full speed into concrete?

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#308 2012-09-22 10:18:48

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

big-bang wrote:

PokemonMaster64 wrote:

If you have those three rules, I would suggest banning computers and internet altogether. We all try to hide from these things, but you can't be young and innocent forever... violence... is something we can't hide from. I don't get what you mean by no human victims. Killing aliens is still violent. Also, mindless? Isn't it OK to be a little crazy sometimes? Also, you never mentioned blood. Blood does not always go along with violence. There could be a project with someone who os injured in it. That could have blood too. You would have to live in a box to live by rules that are that strict!
[blocks]<stop all>[/blocks] contact with computers if you want to keep those rules!

I agree. Sword fighting games? Those are... unrealistic... and lego.com tries to be appropriate. And (random) example: Goomba stomping - try doing that, you'll pull a leg muscle. Sometimes, "Cartoon Violence" is to keep people from really doing violence. But games without blood are scary to - one of the Resident Evil designers says that he makes gory games because otherwise, a guy getting sliced in half and not bleeding could lead to a misconception that doing an unspeakable act will not cause much pain. There's no perfect way out, unfortunately.

What about obscene (rude) projects?


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#309 2012-09-22 10:21:02

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

Aux2 wrote:

What if I have a game where people need to kill these worms that are eating the rancher's live stock but guns and other weapons don't hurt them much so they need to kill them by making the worms dig out into a cliff or ramming it at full speed into concrete?

Then it would be rated Not For Everyone.


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#310 2012-09-22 10:31:22

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

goo142 wrote:

Well, their was a Scratch Project where you kill zombies, but it was really gory and had a few cuss words in it, so I think everybody should support the removal of inappropriate projects from Scratch.

Who wrote it? What was it called? Oh, There's a project called "The Bullcrap", but I flagged it because the title was obscene. I think it was rated "not for everyone".


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#311 2012-09-22 10:40:03

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

Chrischb wrote:

militarydudes wrote:

jman13 wrote:

I think you should gather a bunch of scratchers toghether and send them to search for violent projects and then flag as many as they can.(or you can post reminders that tell pepol not to make violent projects.)  smile

Okay that's over the top. Boys like games where you kill stuff. Nuf' said.

Not all of them.  smile

Most of them on Scratch like platformers and such - no violence, expect maybe jumping onto a wandering baddie.

Off-topic: Do you live in the Southern Hemisphere? Your siggy says you get springtime at time of posting.


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#312 2012-09-22 10:51:44

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

justtestingstickman wrote:

Food-dude wrote:

blood is bad!

You can't say blood is bad just like that. It's like saying scratch is bad! with very little knowledge of it. Also without blood people will die. And it's the programmer's choice wether to include blood or not. Also some blood is tasty  wink .

Like tiger's blood?


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#313 2012-09-22 10:58:03

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

juststickman wrote:

Comcastc99 wrote:

For those of you reading this, I believe that you are familiar with my project, the Naruto Christmas Special, which I must say is a project that I myself am ashamed to be associated with.  I am not a violent person by nature, and although I must say that some p[projects are certainly too violent to be published, I believe that people should recognize the freedom of others to express themselves.  Violence, while not a good thing, can neither be completely banned, nor totally erased from Scratch.  While I do intend to remove several of my projects, I must say that blocking projects on the basis of them being too violent is just as bad as banning projects becuase they aren't violent enough.  While I am, as I said, going to remove projects of mine that are too violent, it is up to the users of Scratch to maintain some level of control over the projects that they do or do not view.  Someone who is opposed to violence SHOULD NOT view a violent project, and then complain.  Forming a regime in which only projects that are devoid of any sort of violence are permissible can not end positively.  As such, I believe that, while Scratch projects should not exhibit use of drugs or alcohol, language, racial slurs, or extreme violence, I also believe that users should have some area in which they can design a project.
In conclusion, I must say that users cannot be judged on the content of their projects, and that policing he Scratch network to erase violent projects will accomplish nothing, and as such will be a useless endeavor.  Scratch was made on the basis of "Imagine-Program-Share", and it is not up to others what I, or any other Scratch user can imagine.

WHY DID YOU DELETE IT???????????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY WHY WHY WHY WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?????????????????????????????????????

I think it was available only on Christmas.


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#314 2012-09-22 11:13:18

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

Imic wrote:

scratchcritic564 wrote:

big-bang wrote:


I was wondering about Brawl. I was about to get it, but then I noticed the rating. I guess it's just the fighting itself, but still... good luck trying to pull a Final Smash on a jerk who shoves you over a fence.

belive me, the teen rating is really stupid.

I quoted your quote!

Because it IS violent!


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#315 2012-09-22 11:15:18

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

TheoMarr wrote:

I'm proud I'm on Scratch - And I'm not an adult. I haven't removed any projects yet because I haven't seen any too violent games or films yet! But if I do, you can ask me for what projects I have deleted. I'll be more than glad to tell you any updated info!

So, which ones have you deleted?


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#316 2012-09-22 11:18:20

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

andy321 wrote:

pokemon_master12 wrote:

I agree with you completely. I've searched using Google before and it's come up with inappropriate images and sites. And I saw a user who seems to just share useless, inappropriate projects, and they'd made one about Pokemon being gay, which I think is very offensive and rude.

agree with who?

Who was the user who shared the gay Pokémon project?


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#317 2012-09-22 11:21:41

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

JasonVoorhees wrote:

IS THERE A WAY TO GET PEOPLE TO STOP commenting on projects but let certain people comment?

Don't be silly. Of course is not a possibility.


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#318 2012-09-22 11:37:42

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

Hey you know you're replying to 3 year old posts right...


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#319 2012-12-30 11:29:19

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

andresmh wrote:

rico, you can certainly use Scratch without using the website. You could also configure your network to disable access to a particular page (the Chinese government does it all the time  smile  )

Wow , racist...


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#320 2012-12-30 11:59:53

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

soniku3 wrote:

andresmh wrote:

rico, you can certainly use Scratch without using the website. You could also configure your network to disable access to a particular page (the Chinese government does it all the time  smile  )

Wow , racist...

Along with the lack of mention of Bahrain, Belarus, Burma, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam, according to Wikipedia. And in the list at http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2009,1001.html it would appear that, around the time it was posted, Laos, Cuba, Burma, Iran, Turkmenistan, North Korea, and Eritrea (in reverse order of severity, i.e. Eritrea the worst, North Korea second, etc.) were even worse than China in terms of this. Now, the post was made in February, so it might be a few months later, but I can't find one for 2008, but my point has still been made.


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#321 2012-12-30 18:26:09

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

Please don't necropost guys  smile


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#322 2012-12-30 18:51:41

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

Mokat wrote:

Please don't necropost guys  smile

are you aware of ITopics?

please read this topic

soniku3 wrote:

andresmh wrote:

rico, you can certainly use Scratch without using the website. You could also configure your network to disable access to a particular page (the Chinese government does it all the time  smile  )

Wow , racist...

that is not racist.

1) chinese is a nationality, not a race
2) the chinese government is an organization, not a race
3) what he said is true

your point is invalid. please don't "play the race card" when it isn't valid.

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#323 2012-12-30 19:12:22

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

Wes64 wrote:

Mokat wrote:

Please don't necropost guys  smile

are you aware of ITopics?

please read this topic

soniku3 wrote:

andresmh wrote:

rico, you can certainly use Scratch without using the website. You could also configure your network to disable access to a particular page (the Chinese government does it all the time  smile  )

Wow , racist...

that is not racist.

1) chinese is a nationality, not a race
2) the chinese government is an organization, not a race
3) what he said is true

your point is invalid. please don't "play the race card" when it isn't valid.

1) True.
2) Country government-ist then. No less offensive and you know it.
3) Again, I will not deny this. However, it's still a low blow against a country's government. It's still just as wrong. And:

lalala3 wrote:

soniku3 wrote:

andresmh wrote:

rico, you can certainly use Scratch without using the website. You could also configure your network to disable access to a particular page (the Chinese government does it all the time  smile  )

Wow , racist...

Along with the lack of mention of Bahrain, Belarus, Burma, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam, according to Wikipedia. And in the list at http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2009,1001.html it would appear that, around the time it was posted, Laos, Cuba, Burma, Iran, Turkmenistan, North Korea, and Eritrea (in reverse order of severity, i.e. Eritrea the worst, North Korea second, etc.) were even worse than China in terms of this. Now, the post was made in February, so it might be a few months later, but I can't find one for 2008, but my point has still been made.

Does it seem less justified now?

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#324 2012-12-30 20:22:43

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

I think the conversation has gotten off-topic here.  The discussion is about violent projects on Scratch - not repressive governments.  Please take the political debate to some other website.


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#325 2013-03-09 15:22:39

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Re: ITopic: Violent Scratch Projects

well, I think you should let the students watch them, because at some point in their life, they're going to be watching R-rated movies. Plus, it's okay as long as they're being creative. I mean if they watch projects with scripts like this

when i receive [4 v]
wait [2] secs
say [die, random people!] for [3] secs
broadcast [explode_sprite1's_head v]
then you might want to stop them.

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