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#26 2009-03-13 16:54:10

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Re: Eldarin/Edhelen/Elvish

Toasty wrote:

cool, I think I'm starting to get the hang of this! Where did you learn it??  smile

http://home.netcom.com/~heensle/lang/elvish/elvish.html
http://forodrim.org/daeron/md_home.html

The first one is the guy I quoted in lesson 1.5.  The second is another interesting site that has some info about different modes.


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#27 2009-03-14 09:55:32

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Re: Eldarin/Edhelen/Elvish

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#28 2009-03-14 12:41:58

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Re: Eldarin/Edhelen/Elvish

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#29 2009-03-14 18:24:37

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Re: Eldarin/Edhelen/Elvish

is elvish even a REAL language?


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#30 2009-03-14 19:32:19

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Re: Eldarin/Edhelen/Elvish

bosox397 wrote:

is elvish even a REAL language?

One of the languages of Lord of the Rings.  I also know a bit of Khuzdul.


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#31 2009-03-16 18:45:25

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Re: Eldarin/Edhelen/Elvish

Lesson 4: Articles and Other Prefixes

Vocabulary:


Dagor = battle
Megil = sword
Hathel = axe
Gúl = magic
Balrog = a Balrog

The word Balrog may seem a bit like the word Balan from the previous lesson.  This is because it is derived from the same stem, bal-, which means "power" when a suffix is added.

(Note: Try pluralizing these words now using the instructions in Lesson 3.  You wil be using the plurals later.)

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#32 2009-03-16 19:06:39

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Re: Eldarin/Edhelen/Elvish

4.1: Lenition, part 1
When a prefix (in the definite form) is added to a word, the first syllable of the word undergoes alteration, or "lenition."  This will be different, depending on what the prefix ends in.

When the prefix ends in a nasal (n, m, or ŋ):

t » th
p » f
c » ch

d » nd
b » mb
g » ng
gw » ngw

n » n
m » m
ŋ » ŋ


When the nasal lenition occurs, the nasal in the prefix is dropped.

Example: en tew the letter » e thew.

A nasal in the prefix will also be dropped if the word begins in a nasal.  This is why they are included on the chart, but don't change at all.

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#33 2009-03-16 19:15:01

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Re: Eldarin/Edhelen/Elvish

4.2: Lenition, part 2
If the prefix does not end in a nasal, then regular lenition occurs:

t » d
p » b
c » g

d » dh
b » v
g is removed
gw » w

h » ch

m » v


M is the only nasal to undergo regular lenition.

Example: os dorog around the troll
Example: or aladh above the tree

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#34 2009-03-16 19:46:16

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Re: Eldarin/Edhelen/Elvish

4.3: The
There is no word for the indefinite article a.  Words without an article are automatically indefinite.
The singular form of the is formed in en.

Example: en adan the man
Example: e ngaladh the tree

The plural form is formed in in.

Example: in edain the men
Example: i ngelaidh the trees


When prefixed to a verb, these are also used for "one that..." or "those that..." respectively.

Example: en afada one that follows
Example: i chabar those that leap

However, you will not be able to use them for this until we learn about verbs a bit later.

When used as the adjective clause "that", the only form used is i.

Example: en adan i gaba the man that leaps


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#35 2009-03-16 20:35:26

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4.4: List of Prepositions, part 1
Here is a list of the prepositions in their definite forms:

or = above
os = around
es = around
egor = according to
ath = across
din = against
athan = beyond
aen = by (instrumental)
fain = each of
an = for
uin = from
min = in
suin = like
buin = on
nev = on this side of
ed = out of
nia = over
tre = through
nin = to
nuin = under
or = up

Definite prepositions always cause lenition in the following word.  When they are used, they automatically replace the definite article, so it is unnecessary to use the.

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#36 2009-03-16 20:41:45

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Re: Eldarin/Edhelen/Elvish

4.5: List of Prepositions, part 2
Here is a list of the prepositions in their indefinite forms:

(some of these are the same as the definite, so they have not been included; see 4.4)

am = above
nia = around
thar = across
dan = against
haer = beyond
fai = each of
o = from
sui = like
bo = on
trí = through
na = to
no = under
am = up

Indefinite prepositions do not cause lenition, and the is not used because they are indefinite.


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#37 2009-03-16 20:50:05

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Lesson 4 Review

Practice adding the to both the singular and plural forms of your vocabulary words.  Remember to use the right form of the!

Choose five prepositions from the list in lesson 4.4 and add each of them to one of your vocabulary words.

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#38 2009-03-17 18:23:37

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Re: Eldarin/Edhelen/Elvish

Whoa, doesn't seem that easy after all. I'll try it though. Thanks.  big_smile

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#39 2009-03-21 11:15:04

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Re: Eldarin/Edhelen/Elvish

Lesson 5: Adjectives

Vocabulary:


Calen = green
Balar = powerful
Bein = fair (of appearance)
Nimp = pale
Lagor = swift

Once again, one of your vocabulary words begins with the stem bal-, which refers to power.


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#40 2009-03-21 11:25:06

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5.1: Using Adjectives
Adjectives always follow the noun they are modifying.

Example: e nduin baran the golden river (hence Baranduin/Brandywine)

This rule holds even in a long string of nouns:

Example: en adan halad uin ardhon dúnen the tall man from the western land

Some of these words you have not learned, so I will include them here for clarity:

halad = tall
ardhon = region
dúnen = of the west


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#41 2009-03-21 12:33:13

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5.2: Plural Adjectives
All adjectives agree in number with the noun they modify, but they are only pluralized if the change is within the word (i.e. -in and -ath are not used):

Example: en adan halad the tall man » in edain helaid
Example: e nduin and the long river » i nduinath end
Example: corch dúr a dark crow » cyrch dúr dark crows (The adjective does not change because no vowel alteration can be made, and because suffixes are not used.)


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#42 2009-03-21 12:40:22

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5.3: Noun Possessives
When a noun follows another noun, it is automatically possessive.

Example: en annon Doriath the gate of Doriath
Example: Parv i Threnarnath Book of Records (Book of Mazarbul)


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#43 2009-03-21 12:51:55

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5.4: Pronoun Possessives
Pronoun possessives are shown similarly to nouns, following the noun they "own":

nín = my
cín = your
hon = his
hen = her
han = its
vín = our (min after a nasal)
lín = your (pl.)
huin = their (m.)
hín = their (f.)
hain = their (inan.)

These are basically slightly altered forms of the direct object pronouns, which we will learn later when we discuss verbs.  Pronoun possessives sometimes use the.

Example: ardhon lín your land
Example: e mbar nín my home

Also, suffixes are occasionally used.  Once again, these are basically the same as the verb subject suffixes:

-en = my
-ech = your
-em = our
-am = our
-el = your (pl.)

Example: lamb tongue or mouth » lammen my mouth

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#44 2009-03-21 13:08:22

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5.5: Demonstrative Pronouns
The demonstrative pronouns this and that are unique because they are both nouns and adjectives, and because they do not change their form no matter what case they are in.

hé = this
tó = that
hin = these
tuin = those

They always use the.

Example: e thorog tó that troll
Example: i theryg tuin those trolls
Example: en edhel hé this elf
Example: in edhil hin these elves


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#45 2009-03-21 13:17:14

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Lesson 5 Review

Choose any five of the nouns you have learned and add an adjective to both their singular and plural forms.  Remember the rules you have learned for pluralizing adjectives!

Also, try out the pronouns you have learned.  You have learned about 20 vocabulary words so far (including the ones in the examples), and there are 14 pronouns, so pick any ones you want!  wink
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#46 2009-03-24 10:52:03

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Lesson 6: Verbs

Vocabulary:


no = be
pedo = speak
lasto = hear
echedi = open (echád)
tiri = watch


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#47 2009-03-24 11:04:38

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6.1: Verb Subjects
When a verb is used in the 3rd person (i.e. it does not have a suffix) then, in the present tense, the stem o will change to a.

Example: nallo call » en adan nalla the man calls

The stem i will be dropped, and any vowel harmony will be canceled (as shown in the vocabulary list).

Example: teli come » edhel tól an elf comes

For 3rd person plural, -ar and -ir are used (to replace o and i respectively).

Example: in edain nallar the men call
Example: edhil telir elves come

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#48 2009-03-24 13:09:53

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6.2: Pronoun Subjects
Pronouns can be suffixed to the verbs (assuming they are not 3rd person).  You learned the possessive suffixes in lesson 5.4, and these are basically the same:

-n = I
-(e)ch = you
-(a)m = we
-l = you (pl.)

Example: nallam we call
Example: hedin I throw

Some pronouns use separate forms.  This is usually the 3rd person, but it is sometimes used on the first and second if there is an alternate title:

im = I
ich = you
ho = he
he = she
ha = it
min = we
le = you (pl.)
huin = they (m.)
hín = they (f.)
hein = they (inan.)

Example: ho cuina he lives
Example: Ich Celebrimbor teitha You, Celebrimbor, write

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#49 2009-03-24 14:18:56

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6.3: Direct Objects
The direct object generally precedes the verb (but follows the subject if there is one):

Example: lind líron I sing a song
Example: ho en adan ista he knows the man

Pronoun objects are similar to the pronoun possessives, only the vowels are shortened:

nin = me
cin = you
hon = him
hen = her
han = it
min = us
lin = you (pl.)
huin = them (m.)
hín = them (f.)
hain = them (inan.)

Example: Im Narvi hain echád; I, Narvi, make them
Example: en adan hon ista the man knows him


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#50 2009-03-24 14:27:47

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6.4: Imperative and Future
The imperative (commanding) is formed in -o (replacing the stem, and canceling the vowel harmony on i stems).  The direct object follows the verb in this case.

Example: cuio! live!
Example: hébo hé keep this

The future is formed in -atha (-atho- with a suffix).  As usual, this cancels the harmony.

Example: Linnathon I will sing
Example: Ho hébatha he will keep it


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