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mikebmac wrote:

Why not just added an "other" with a text box (to elaborate if they feel the need) for selection process. Best of all worlds: you are respecting transgender people and collecting statistics for further development.

Cheddargirl said that would probably end up with people putting silly things in like vegetables instead of their actual gender identity

Also I can't imagine having an "Other" option would skew data too much and even if it does it's data that doesn't matter. What percent of people do you think actually put in their real birth year when they sign up? Are we taking extra special measures to make sure that's truthful?

Sure most people are male or female, but were most people born in 2013 or 1885?? You still let those be selected as options for birth year, but an "other" option for gender is totally out of the question??

Sellout wrote:

Sure most people are male or female, but were most people born in 2013 or 1885?? You still let those be selected as options for birth year, but an "other" option for gender is totally out of the question??

interestingly there hasn't even been any known living people in the world born in 1885 since before scratch was created

My advice try an angry email or just deal with it.


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Detriment wrote:

I am physically a male but I do not identify with either of the terms male or female, and I find it an invasion of privacy that the site requires me to choose between the two. There should be a third option, "Other", or better yet, remove it entirely. I just got here and I don't mean to get off on the wrong foot, but this is very tiring for me to have to deal with everywhere that I go.

Hi Detriment, I'm one of the developers on the Scratch 2.0 website and as the person who coded up the registration page I can confirm we will have a text box for gender identities that don't align with just male or female. Personally, I agree with your points, and feel strongly that it should be there!

Champ99 wrote:

Detriment wrote:

I am physically a male but I do not identify with either of the terms male or female, and I find it an invasion of privacy that the site requires me to choose between the two. There should be a third option, "Other", or better yet, remove it entirely. I just got here and I don't mean to get off on the wrong foot, but this is very tiring for me to have to deal with everywhere that I go.

Hi Detriment, I'm one of the developers on the Scratch 2.0 website and as the person who coded up the registration page I can confirm we will have a text box for gender identities that don't align with just male or female. Personally, I agree with your points, and feel strongly that it should be there!

Woah, I've never heard of you! And glad to see there's an option - While I'm a boy/male, I don't like things to be biased toward male/females 

I don't understand why it's that big of a deal. I mean, if they asked you what your full name was, then it would make sense to complain but there are millions of males and females in the world, so it would be insanely unlikely for someone to know who you are just by saying that you are a male or female.

It's your choice whether or not you sign up.

veggieman wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

It's your choice whether or not you sign up.

But why wouldn't they provide a choice to accommodate for more people
(and yes I know they are going to in 2.0 but this is for the sake of argument)

I believe everyone is born with a physical gender, but some have a mentally different one. Then they can choose what they want. If they're trans, they've changed their gender physically afaik, so they can choose their new gender. No one doesn't physically have a gender.

jji7skyline wrote:

veggieman wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

It's your choice whether or not you sign up.

But why wouldn't they provide a choice to accommodate for more people
(and yes I know they are going to in 2.0 but this is for the sake of argument)

I believe everyone is born with a physical gender, but some have a mentally different one. Then they can choose what they want. If they're trans, they've changed their gender physically afaik, so they can choose their new gender. No one doesn't physically have a gender.

(the following post will have a bunch of censored words used in an appropriate fashion so please quote it if you want to actually read it because I'm too lazy to avoid the filter)

In general, yes, people have a physical *, being either male or female, determined by their genetics (and I say in general because there are birth defects and such but I won't get into that). However, gender refers to the mental, uh, state I guess, of your identity. For most people, their gender = their *. However, for some, this is not the case.

The general term for this is transgender. Trans-, as used in transportation, transition, etc. means "Across, through, over, beyond, to or on the other side of, outside of" (according to Wiktionary) and in general represents that which has changed. Someone who is transgender is someone who has changed their gender identity to not be the same as their physical *.

What you're referring to has generally been referred to at least in the past as transsexual, when someone has their physical * changed to match their gender. However, it's become common to just refer to these people as transgender and even sometimes refer to people who do not desire * reassignment surgery as transsexual. Everyone's different.

What the OP may be referring to is another type of transgender, genderqueer, or possibly androgyny. Both refer to gender identities outside of the gender binary and therefore aren't on the current Scratch gender drop-down.

CheeseMunchy wrote:

If anything, it should be "rather not say" but I couldn't care less.

Why should it be "rather not say" if people do want to say, and be proud of who they are? If anything, there should be both those options.

And why don't you care about it, and why post if you don't?


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scimonster wrote:

veggieman wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

It's your choice whether or not you sign up.

But why wouldn't they provide a choice to accommodate for more people
(and yes I know they are going to in 2.0 but this is for the sake of argument)

Why post for the sake of argument?

because I wanted to see his position & knowledge on the matter since he made it unclear

veggieman wrote:

CheeseMunchy wrote:

If anything, it should be "rather not say" but I couldn't care less.

Why should it be "rather not say" if people do want to say, and be proud of who they are? If anything, there should be both those options.

And why don't you care about it, and why post if you don't?

Do you realize there would have to be 500 different options if you didn't want to offend someone in some far away country because you didn't have they're gender option. Also, those genders won't be used in statistics and nobody will see them so it's really quite pointless. Just choose male or female, or if you don't feel like it choose "I'd rather not say". Anything else would be overkill in my opinion.

I don't care about it for the same reason I don't care about many things. Because I don't care. But, I might as well get an opinion in if there could be a change to the scratch website.

Last edited by CheeseMunchy (2013-04-25 14:08:11)

veggieman wrote:

CheeseMunchy wrote:

veggieman wrote:

Why should it be "rather not say" if people do want to say, and be proud of who they are? If anything, there should be both those options.

And why don't you care about it, and why post if you don't?

Do you realize there would have to be 500 different options if you didn't want to offend someone in some far away country because you didn't have they're gender option. Also, those genders won't be used in statistics and nobody will see them so it's really quite pointless. Just choose male or female, or if you don't feel like it choose "I'd rather not say". Anything else would be overkill in my opinion.

I think having Male, Female, Other, and I'd rather not say would be reasonable, though, because it is all-inclusive.

Not a bad idea.

In my opinion, it should just be Male or Female but make it optional. If you don't actually want to even answer that question, and since it's only for statistical purposes, it'd be fine to do that. There could even just be a little blip saying "this choice is used only for development/statistical purposes". I dunno. Just thought I'd put that out there.