Scratch

BLU_Spy wrote:

Scratch can be used for everything. If someone wants to share art, they can. Don‘t like art projects? Ignore them.

Invalid. Just because scratch can be used for everything doesn't mean it should.

BLU_Spy wrote:

PhantomEXE wrote:

BLU_Spy wrote:

Scratch can be used for everything. If someone wants to share art, they can. Don‘t like art projects? Ignore them.

Invalid. Just because scratch can be used for everything doesn't mean it should.

Ever heard of something called freedom?

Just let they do what they want. It‘s not harming anyone.

Invalid. I have heard of freedom. Just because I'm free to do something doesn't mean I should. It's still not a good idea. And I'm not partial to your tone. Try to be more polite.

I'm doing this for the people misusing scratch as much as I am for myself. They will get a lot farther in their art if they use something other than scratch to share it.

Last edited by PhantomEXE (2013-03-18 15:29:57)

I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this...because we've been over it a number of times before.

The Scratch website is for people to create, learn and share in many ways - not just for programming.  Not to put too fine a point on it...the site is owned and operated by the Scratch Team and offered to the public free of charge.  The Scratch Team, then, gets to decide when it is not being used properly.  We'll let you know when we see it 

Paddle2See wrote:

I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this...because we've been over it a number of times before.

The Scratch website is for people to create, learn and share in many ways - not just for programming.  Not to put too fine a point on it...the site is owned and operated by the Scratch Team and offered to the public free of charge.  - The Scratch Team, then, gets to decide when it is not being used properly.  We'll let you know when we see it 

If that is true, I would ask that you change the "About" section to make this more clear. According to the current information from the "About" section, the things I have described are a misuse. Please fix this.

scimonster wrote:

PhantomEXE wrote:

BLU_Spy wrote:

Saying that everything I say is “invalid“ does not work.

Also, there‘s no way to “misuse“ Scratch.

Invalid. Your arguments are invalid, so it "works" to say so.

The scratch website is not a universal sharing device. If you are using it as such, you are misusing it. I have already shown why this is true. You are making a fool of yourself, and I suggest you use better arguments in your next post to rectify this.

And i suggest that you be a bit politer in your next post.

And Paddle's right (of course). Sharing art does not constitute a misuse of Scratch.

I'm trying to be as polite as I can. I'm sorry if it seems otherwise. The last thing on my mind is offense.

I'm not saying art doesn't belong on scratch. To do so would be ridiculous. I'm simply saying that some things on scratch belong elsewhere. If you would like another example, try cheat codes. I shouldn't post cheat codes on scratch. I should post them on Cheat Code Central or something similar. That way the codes get more views and I don't waste any scratcher's time.

Nomolos what is great because he is polite and has a valid argument wrote:

I like the word "Invalid". 

This has been suggested sooo many times before, and I just think you guys should ignore the art projects if you don't like them. Scratch is a great place for artists because they can share their work and get constructive feedback, instead of a different site where you would be shunned for a small mistake.

If you aren't shunned for a small mistake on scratch, I don't see why you would be shunned for a small mistake on a dedicated art sharing site.

BLU_Spy wrote:

Saying that I‘m making myself a fool and that everything I say is invalid? That‘s very polite...


And you clearly said in the last posts that using Scratch for art was a misuse.

I couldn't word it any other way. I'm sorry if you took offense. I figured you ought to know so that you would stop.

I do not mean that using scratch for art is a misuse. I mean that using scratch for static drawings is a misuse. If I said using scratch for art is a misuse, I was referring to static drawings.

I also believe that I made it quite clear in my most recent post aside from this one that I was not saying art does not belong on scratch.

Last edited by PhantomEXE (2013-03-18 16:14:14)

PhantomEXE wrote:

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I would ask that you change the "About" section to make this more clear. According to the current information from the "About" section, the things I have described are a misuse. Please fix this.

Thanks for your feedback - I'll bring it up with some other team members.  Now's a good time to bring this sort of thing up since the Beta site is under heavy development - if we decide to change it, it will probably be only on the Beta.  We're not eager to spend more development time on the old site, unless it's critical.

BLU_Spy wrote:

So... You want arguments, don‘t you? 

Here I go.


Scratch isn‘t an universal sharing devoce, right? Well, neither are deviantART and Blogspot.

If sharing art on Scratch is a misuse, since there better softwares, then wouldn‘t programming with Java also be a misuse, because there‘s Flash? Wouldn‘t playing PS2 also be a misuse, since there‘s PS3?

I did want arguments. Thank you!

In response:

Just because there is a better place for something doesn't mean that is the only place. This is a valid point.
HOWEVER.
I'm not just arguing that static art shouldn't be on scratch because there are better places for it. I'm also saying that static art doesn't belong on the scratch website because that's not what scratch was made for. See the first post.

PhantomEXE wrote:

BLU_Spy wrote:

So... You want arguments, don‘t you? 

Here I go.


Scratch isn‘t an universal sharing devoce, right? Well, neither are deviantART and Blogspot.

If sharing art on Scratch is a misuse, since there better softwares, then wouldn‘t programming with Java also be a misuse, because there‘s Flash? Wouldn‘t playing PS2 also be a misuse, since there‘s PS3?

I did want arguments. Thank you!

In response:

Just because there is a better place for something doesn't mean that is the only place. This is a valid point.
HOWEVER.
I'm not just arguing that static art shouldn't be on scratch because there are better places for it. I'm also saying that static art doesn't belong on the scratch website because that's not what scratch was made for. See the first post.

Hm...

I‘ve read it again.

... And I have to agree that the “About“ section is a bit unclear about sharing art.

BLU_Spy wrote:

PhantomEXE wrote:

BLU_Spy wrote:

So... You want arguments, don‘t you? 

Here I go.


Scratch isn‘t an universal sharing devoce, right? Well, neither are deviantART and Blogspot.

If sharing art on Scratch is a misuse, since there better softwares, then wouldn‘t programming with Java also be a misuse, because there‘s Flash? Wouldn‘t playing PS2 also be a misuse, since there‘s PS3?

I did want arguments. Thank you!

In response:

Just because there is a better place for something doesn't mean that is the only place. This is a valid point.
HOWEVER.
I'm not just arguing that static art shouldn't be on scratch because there are better places for it. I'm also saying that static art doesn't belong on the scratch website because that's not what scratch was made for. See the first post.

Hm...

I‘ve read it again.

... And I have to agree that the “About“ section is a bit unclear about sharing art.

Anything that uses the word "art" on its own is automatically going to be unclear. It's an incredibly huge term. But I believe that they're clear that you're supposed to post art that you create using scratch.

shadowmouse wrote:

I agree with you PhantomEXE. I think that there should be much less static art on the site. It clogs it up. And I know that Paddle2See says that scratch isn't just for programming but why would you use scratch for static drawings (animation are programs) if you can use something with is more graphically orientated (such as paint or gimp)? And a slightly different question: Why are the so many drawing competitions? Not to offend anyone but I keep seeing 'draw a mate for' or 'design a new member of the -clan' projects and in my opinion they just get in the way of the programs or animations. I personally think that there should be a seperate part for the site for people who want to post that sort of thing.

No, there shouldn‘t.

Scratch is for everyone, and everything.

You‘re not being forced to like them, though. Ignore projects like that; that‘s what I do.