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#1 2013-02-14 07:35:51

brinjal
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When is a remix not a remix?

A while ago someone remixed one of my projects. I was intrigued to see their work, so I took a look. But nothing had changed. Not even the project notes. The person had simply downloaded my project, then uploaded it to their account. They had changed nothing. I decided to flag it. But did it get removed?
No.
Instead I got a message criticising me for flagging a remix. But it was not a remix. It was a copy. By the scratch wiki's definition(on 14/2/13):
A remix is a modified and shared version of an uploaded project.
This project had not been modified. Furthermore, it violated two of the community guidelines:
http://scratch.mit.edu/img/pages/credits/cat-face-bullet.gif Be respectful. When sharing projects or posting comments...
Copying another person's work is not respectful. Sharing someone else's work as your own is disrespectful to them.
http://scratch.mit.edu/img/pages/credits/cat-face-bullet.gif Give credit. Feel free to make modified versions of other people's projects - just make sure to give them credit...
But did they? No they did not.

So this person violated two community guidelines and I was criticised for reporting them?
I think the scratch team should make sure in future that projects such as that are taken down.

If you have any thoughts on this issue, or this has happened to you, please comment!

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#2 2013-02-14 09:22:18

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

This happened to me a week ago after I noticed this guy kept copying Wes64 projects, so I told him off.

Then the guy copied some of my projects.

I then took a look and added some constructive criticism, such as letting him know that the projects he copied where ones that where supposed to be copied, and that he really just showed support for my cause.

Anyway...
So just flag it and let the ST take care of it.  smile


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#3 2013-02-14 09:27:29

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

^ Problem is, he already flagged them, but merely got a (likely automated) reminder from the Scratch team, about proper remixes not being a bad thing.

Thus, the problem here is that the mods didn't notice the remixes were exact copies. I'd contact the Scratch Team, or report the project again, explaining this.


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#4 2013-02-14 15:19:19

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

brinjal wrote:

A while ago someone remixed one of my projects. I was intrigued to see their work, so I took a look. But nothing had changed. Not even the project notes. The person had simply downloaded my project, then uploaded it to their account. They had changed nothing. I decided to flag it. But did it get removed?
No.
Instead I got a message criticising me for flagging a remix. But it was not a remix. It was a copy. By the scratch wiki's definition(on 14/2/13):
A remix is a modified and shared version of an uploaded project.
This project had not been modified. Furthermore, it violated two of the community guidelines:
http://scratch.mit.edu/img/pages/credit … bullet.gif Be respectful. When sharing projects or posting comments...
Copying another person's work is not respectful. Sharing someone else's work as your own is disrespectful to them.
http://scratch.mit.edu/img/pages/credit … bullet.gif Give credit. Feel free to make modified versions of other people's projects - just make sure to give them credit...
But did they? No they did not.

So this person violated two community guidelines and I was criticised for reporting them?
I think the scratch team should make sure in future that projects such as that are taken down.

If you have any thoughts on this issue, or this has happened to you, please comment!

I have a strategy that does the trick. Let us first talk about a uncredited remix.
If it is a remix, ask for credit. If it does not work, tell a scratch team member. Make a tag that says you made the project, if you can.

Now, if it really was COPIED, flag the project! But how? To flag a copied project, simply explain that it is a copy and tell why you think that. I tried that strategy, and found that it works!
You could say something like: This is uncredited copy of my project, because, I saw that there were no changes.

Don't ask the scratch team to remove the project, just tell them that it is copied and it is breaking the community guidelines.

So, that is pretty much my suggestion. I hope this helps!  smile


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#5 2013-02-14 15:56:52

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

Or, you can just comment saying it's a copy of project X and watch them turn a gajillion shades of red.


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#6 2013-02-15 07:52:20

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

joshuaho wrote:

I have a strategy that does the trick. Let us first talk about a uncredited remix.
If it is a remix, ask for credit.

I did. Nothing happened.

joshuaho wrote:

If it does not work, tell a scratch team member.

I did. I got a message from an admin saying that "remixing is good" even though it was not a proper remix.

joshuaho wrote:

Now, if it really was COPIED, flag the project! But how? To flag a copied project, simply explain that it is a copy and tell why you think that. I tried that strategy, and found that it works!

I didn't work for me.

lalala3 wrote:

Or, you can just comment saying it's a copy of project X and watch them turn a gajillion shades of red.

They already know it's your project, because they copied it. Reminding them of that won't help.

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#7 2013-02-15 15:05:09

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

brinjal wrote:

I did. Nothing happened.

You should not expect for credit, but it is worth asking. Don't expect them to give credit.

brinjal wrote:

I did. I got a message from an admin saying that "remixing is good" even though it was not a proper remix.

Contact the scratch team through email if flagging does not work.



brinjal wrote:

They already know it's your project, because they copied it. Reminding them of that won't help.

It might not help, so that is when you need a scratch team member. When you tell them that it is a copied version, try to be as clear as possible. Imagine that you are a admin or a moderator who read this message. Would you agree to what was written? If yes, then submit your message.

I hope this helps.  smile


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#8 2013-02-16 09:35:55

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

joshuaho wrote:

brinjal wrote:

I did. Nothing happened.

You should not expect for credit, but it is worth asking. Don't expect them to give credit.

brinjal wrote:

I did. I got a message from an admin saying that "remixing is good" even though it was not a proper remix.

Contact the scratch team through email if flagging does not work.



brinjal wrote:

They already know it's your project, because they copied it. Reminding them of that won't help.

It might not help, so that is when you need a scratch team member. When you tell them that it is a copied version, try to be as clear as possible. Imagine that you are a admin or a moderator who read this message. Would you agree to what was written? If yes, then submit your message.

I hope this helps.  smile

Quote 1:  You should expect credit.
Quote 2:  Agreed.  However, that admin message is an automatically generated one.
Quote 3:  Agreed.


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#9 2013-02-16 20:31:33

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

Firedrake969 wrote:

Quote 1:  You should expect credit.
Quote 2:  Agreed.  However, that admin message is an automatically generated one.
Quote 3:  Agreed.

Not all remixers will listen and give you credit. You can't expect all remixers to do that. Me and a few scratchers on my friend list had a project copied. I threatened to flag the project, but the remixer would not listen. Those scratchers on my friend list also did the same thing, but no effect. So, we ended up flagging the project, and it got removed.


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#10 2013-02-16 21:13:50

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

joshuaho wrote:

Firedrake969 wrote:

Quote 1:  You should expect credit.
Quote 2:  Agreed.  However, that admin message is an automatically generated one.
Quote 3:  Agreed.

Not all remixers will listen and give you credit. You can't expect all remixers to do that. Me and a few scratchers on my friend list had a project copied. I threatened to flag the project, but the remixer would not listen. Those scratchers on my friend list also did the same thing, but no effect. So, we ended up flagging the project, and it got removed.

You're supposed to give credit.


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#11 2013-02-16 22:13:46

joshuaho
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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

Firedrake969 wrote:

You're supposed to give credit.

I know that. But some remixers might not.  yikes


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#12 2013-02-17 02:03:32

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

joshuaho wrote:

Firedrake969 wrote:

You're supposed to give credit.

I know that. But some remixers might not.  yikes

Yeah, I was going to post something then I got lazy.

You shouldn't expect credit because most people who blatantly copy your project are new scratchers who don't know that credit is required (and copying is not allowed).

But you should expect them to give credit after you tell them.

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#13 2013-02-17 21:32:11

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

kayybee wrote:

You shouldn't expect credit because most people who blatantly copy your project are new scratchers who don't know that credit is required (and copying is not allowed).

But you should expect them to give credit after you tell them.

I agree. But some of them did not, when scratchers on my friends list asked the remixer to. So, we ended up flagging the project successfully.


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#14 2013-02-18 10:04:49

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

The Based on _________ project that's automatically added counts as giving credit.


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#15 2013-02-24 19:51:40

joshuaho
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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

Mokat wrote:

The Based on _________ project that's automatically added counts as giving credit.

But the requirement is that you need to give credit.


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#16 2013-02-24 20:06:51

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

joshuaho wrote:

Mokat wrote:

The Based on _________ project that's automatically added counts as giving credit.

But the requirement is that you need to give credit.

But that is acceptable as credit. It shows who made the original project.


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#17 2013-02-25 12:08:29

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

the chances are that it was changed in some way that you didn't notice then
someone copied my project exactly and then it got deleted when i reported it


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#18 2013-02-25 22:06:58

joshuaho
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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

jvvg wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

Mokat wrote:

The Based on _________ project that's automatically added counts as giving credit.

But the requirement is that you need to give credit.

But that is acceptable as credit. It shows who made the original project.

Not all the time. Someone could just copy the scripts without importing the project.


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#19 2013-02-25 22:24:52

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

That's been a problem for a long time, and there really is no solution.


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#20 2013-02-25 23:50:12

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

berberberber wrote:

That's been a problem for a long time, and there really is no solution.

The only one is by flagging, you just need to make it clear that the copied project was a copy. Usually, the ST listens to me when I flag uncredited copies.


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#21 2013-02-27 00:09:38

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

brinjal wrote:

A while ago someone remixed one of my projects. I was intrigued to see their work, so I took a look. But nothing had changed. Not even the project notes. The person had simply downloaded my project, then uploaded it to their account. They had changed nothing. I decided to flag it. But did it get removed?
No.
Instead I got a message criticising me for flagging a remix. But it was not a remix. It was a copy. By the scratch wiki's definition(on 14/2/13):
A remix is a modified and shared version of an uploaded project.
This project had not been modified. Furthermore, it violated two of the community guidelines:
http://scratch.mit.edu/img/pages/credit … bullet.gif Be respectful. When sharing projects or posting comments...
Copying another person's work is not respectful. Sharing someone else's work as your own is disrespectful to them.
http://scratch.mit.edu/img/pages/credit … bullet.gif Give credit. Feel free to make modified versions of other people's projects - just make sure to give them credit...
But did they? No they did not.

So this person violated two community guidelines and I was criticised for reporting them?
I think the scratch team should make sure in future that projects such as that are taken down.

If you have any thoughts on this issue, or this has happened to you, please comment!

Indeed, I support.


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#22 2013-02-27 00:21:49

joshuaho
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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

brinjal wrote:

A while ago someone remixed one of my projects. I was intrigued to see their work, so I took a look. But nothing had changed. Not even the project notes. The person had simply downloaded my project, then uploaded it to their account. They had changed nothing. I decided to flag it. But did it get removed?
No.
Instead I got a message criticising me for flagging a remix. But it was not a remix. It was a copy. By the scratch wiki's definition(on 14/2/13):
A remix is a modified and shared version of an uploaded project.
This project had not been modified. Furthermore, it violated two of the community guidelines:
http://scratch.mit.edu/img/pages/credit … bullet.gif Be respectful. When sharing projects or posting comments...
Copying another person's work is not respectful. Sharing someone else's work as your own is disrespectful to them.
http://scratch.mit.edu/img/pages/credit … bullet.gif Give credit. Feel free to make modified versions of other people's projects - just make sure to give them credit...
But did they? No they did not.

So this person violated two community guidelines and I was criticised for reporting them?
I think the scratch team should make sure in future that projects such as that are taken down.

If you have any thoughts on this issue, or this has happened to you, please comment!

I read the scratch wiki about project copying and how you should take care of that.
First, view the original project and the remixed one. If there is NO diffrence, flag the project.

When you flag a project, describe as much as you can. But even describing may still not be very effective, but that is a important part when flagging. However, the most important part in flagging is by giving the Scratch Team the link to the original project. Then, the Scratch Team will listen to you more. You then should not get a message critizing you even if you did something right.
I hope this helps!  smile


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#23 2013-03-13 23:44:12

joshuaho
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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

brinjal wrote:

A while ago someone remixed one of my projects. I was intrigued to see their work, so I took a look. But nothing had changed. Not even the project notes. The person had simply downloaded my project, then uploaded it to their account. They had changed nothing. I decided to flag it. But did it get removed?
No.
Instead I got a message criticising me for flagging a remix. But it was not a remix. It was a copy. By the scratch wiki's definition(on 14/2/13):
A remix is a modified and shared version of an uploaded project.
This project had not been modified. Furthermore, it violated two of the community guidelines:
http://scratch.mit.edu/img/pages/credit … bullet.gif Be respectful. When sharing projects or posting comments...
Copying another person's work is not respectful. Sharing someone else's work as your own is disrespectful to them.
http://scratch.mit.edu/img/pages/credit … bullet.gif Give credit. Feel free to make modified versions of other people's projects - just make sure to give them credit...
But did they? No they did not.

So this person violated two community guidelines and I was criticised for reporting them?
I think the scratch team should make sure in future that projects such as that are taken down.

If you have any thoughts on this issue, or this has happened to you, please comment!

Did the message say something like this?

Hi -----, we took a look at the project you flagged as a copy but found some script changes made, which would qualify the project as a remix and not as a copy. We encourage remixing in the Scratch community, since we have seen how remixing can lead to creative, interesting projects. The website includes a "Based on..." link to give credit to the original author -- and we hope that remixers will also give credit in their Project Notes. Overall, we want the Scratch community to be full of creative activity and exciting projects, and remixing helps with that.


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#24 2013-03-14 00:23:43

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

I'm pretty sure this problem is resolved, considering you're the only one posting here anymore.


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#25 2013-03-14 14:31:06

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Re: When is a remix not a remix?

berberberber wrote:

I'm pretty sure this problem is resolved, considering you're the only one posting here anymore.

Me?


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