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It's fine Smoz! But if you could check in from time to time that'd be nice 
Chesseater: Well, we each do a little something. Somebody does graphics, another does scripting, and all together we make an awesome game. 

Okay, hut sprites may have a set x or y vel (if you have 'em both) and hide when they aren't in stage parameters (once we get the base done, I can sort that out).  Decoration sprites, I told you my idea already, hut thingmay use a "go to" block, and that's what I can come up with.

MP is nearly impossible.

The things you are presenting will take a ton of work.  I could probably untange everything, but it'll take a very long time.  You need to dynamically update the list with the imaginary coords of the hut on the screen, if it's on the screen, to match the scroll, and not to mention, you need a sprite for every single hut that you have, becuase stamping wouldn't work with the scrolling yuo are using, unless it's stamp scrolling.  Another hing is that the AI has to react to your every move, it can't just keep making huts while you destory it's base.  We have to create an AI that can "Learn", and thats very, very hard.  Also, the sodiers pathfinding can't just go straight through huts and jsut phase through.  They have to have sensing, which requres two more lists, one holding the hut coords and deletes them if they are destoyed, and and one holding data for every soldier you have, as well as designing a simble, we have to set the scanner fore every possible color you have, whcich is 512+.  So yeah, not trying to hate, but just pointing out it's flaws.  They also have to attack, whcich will reqire more lists.  With so many for just singleplayer, I doubt this will be able to go MP, at least not on scratch.

Last edited by berberberber (2013-03-11 19:41:51)

berberberber wrote:

MP is nearly impossible.

The things you are presenting will take a ton of work.  I could probably untange everything, but it'll take a very long time.  You need to dynamically update the list with the imaginary coords of the hut on the screen, if it's on the screen, to match the scroll, and not to mention, you need a sprite for every single hut that you have, becuase stamping wouldn't work with the scrolling yuo are using, unless it's stamp scrolling.  Another hing is that the AI has to react to your every move, it can't just keep making huts while you destory it's base.  We have to create an AI that can "Learn", and thats very, very hard.  Also, the sodiers pathfinding can't just go straight through huts and jsut phase through.  They have to have sensing, which requres two more lists, one holding the hut coords and deletes them if they are destoyed, and and one holding data for every soldier you have, as well as designing a simble, we have to set the scanner fore every possible color you have, whcich is 512+.  So yeah, not trying to hate, but just pointing out it's flaws.  They also have to attack, whcich will reqire more lists.  With so many for just singleplayer, I doubt this will be able to go MP, at least not on scratch.

I am beginning to agree, as i have never even used lists, i have no idea. I know for a fact that this game could be made in normal programming, and perhaps with the proper training, rather easily. But i didn't know how hard it would be when i first imagined it, and i am beginning to think that my other idea could work much, much better. 

The only thing you misunderstood really is that the huts don't get "Deleted", they just swap owners or are unoccupied until a tribe would claim them.

Anyway, this doesn't mean that Tribez is bad, or more importantly, that this collab should now just, fall apart. I have had much fun directing it, but i believe that it is pretty much impossible with scratch, which was clearly designed for much less complicated projects. 

So, do the rest of you agree? If we all decide on stopping the production of Tribez, we should still keep making projects. Any ideas? If you know me, you know i have plenty. 

Cloning can only take you so far, and we still have the matter of an adaptive AI.  You have to remember, scratch is a beginner's language, with a beginner's toolset.

funnymee323 wrote:

Wow.... giving up Tribez?
I really don't know what to say. D;

I know, it terrible, but if you read my previous posts, you'll know why.    (Crying my eyes out)... Just kidding, but i wish we could have done it... It's not our fault...


So, is it official, are we stopping Tribez and diving in to a different project? More like an arcade or RPG or amazing platformer?

FUNNYMEE: If we agree to stop Tribez, then you need to take it off the front post. I will copy the idea and keep it... Who knows, i might make it some day when i become a software engineer. 

Yeah, they're hard... But not that hard. 

Also, i think you're on to something. The size of this collab is hard to focus and keep everyone on the same page with one, grand project, maybe everyone could make a minigame? Also, if we go that route, i am making the menu! 

berberberber wrote:

Can I design the graphics?  And code a few minigames?

Well, i think you're getting ahead of the collab, they may want to just modify Tribez into a more economic game play that's actually possible instead. But if we do, then i think you'll be fine.

CAA14 wrote:

berberberber wrote:

MP is nearly impossible.

The things you are presenting will take a ton of work.  I could probably untange everything, but it'll take a very long time.  You need to dynamically update the list with the imaginary coords of the hut on the screen, if it's on the screen, to match the scroll, and not to mention, you need a sprite for every single hut that you have, becuase stamping wouldn't work with the scrolling yuo are using, unless it's stamp scrolling.  Another hing is that the AI has to react to your every move, it can't just keep making huts while you destory it's base.  We have to create an AI that can "Learn", and thats very, very hard.  Also, the sodiers pathfinding can't just go straight through huts and jsut phase through.  They have to have sensing, which requres two more lists, one holding the hut coords and deletes them if they are destoyed, and and one holding data for every soldier you have, as well as designing a simble, we have to set the scanner fore every possible color you have, whcich is 512+.  So yeah, not trying to hate, but just pointing out it's flaws.  They also have to attack, whcich will reqire more lists.  With so many for just singleplayer, I doubt this will be able to go MP, at least not on scratch.

I am beginning to agree, as i have never even used lists, i have no idea. I know for a fact that this game could be made in normal programming, and perhaps with the proper training, rather easily. But i didn't know how hard it would be when i first imagined it, and i am beginning to think that my other idea could work much, much better. 

The only thing you misunderstood really is that the huts don't get "Deleted", they just swap owners or are unoccupied until a tribe would claim them.

Anyway, this doesn't mean that Tribez is bad, or more importantly, that this collab should now just, fall apart. I have had much fun directing it, but i believe that it is pretty much impossible with scratch, which was clearly designed for much less complicated projects. 

So, do the rest of you agree? If we all decide on stopping the production of Tribez, we should still keep making projects. Any ideas? If you know me, you know i have plenty. 

We spent 3 months working on tribez.
Can't we just make a less complicated version of tribez?

Just one request at everyone please just use @ instead of replying which takes up tons of space and is a pain to read!

That was my hundredth post! 
....[and yet still not a Scratcher.... xD]....

Hey people, I check back and there's another page!
Are you seriously thinking about creating a different game? I know it would be really hard but I think it could still work on scratch, however I don't know if it will fit in the 10MB data limit; especially if there's going to be music. I know I'm just a helper, but I think it must be really hard for CAA14/funnymee because there's so many people! This is just a suggestion and I know I'm just a helper but why don't you have a few leaders so that there will be a few people to manage the wave of posts?