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#26 2013-01-03 15:50:07

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

Yeah, I agree with Northmeister, project notes shouldn't be forced in. The based off link is fine.


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#27 2013-01-03 15:53:01

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

Mokat wrote:

lalala3 wrote:

Mokat wrote:


^this. Also, couldn't people just edit the auto-credit out? What about using your computer to take screenshots of sprites or using your microphone to record sounds? No matter what you do, people can still find a way around whatever it is.

There is one way that I can think of that's even easier than that. Here's a hint: It involves a blank project and a certain option in the File menu. Therefore, I think my idea would be better: allow the users to flag remixes without credit.

I wrote:

I think that the "Based on _____'s project" should be removed, this [idea] should not be implemented, users should be able to see who downloaded their projects, and remixers required to give credit manually,

Oh, the import project button?
+1 on being able to see who downloaded something.

You got it.


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#28 2013-01-03 17:18:58

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

Mokat wrote:

lalala3 wrote:

Mokat wrote:


^this. Also, couldn't people just edit the auto-credit out? What about using your computer to take screenshots of sprites or using your microphone to record sounds? No matter what you do, people can still find a way around whatever it is.

There is one way that I can think of that's even easier than that. Here's a hint: It involves a blank project and a certain option in the File menu. Therefore, I think my idea would be better: allow the users to flag remixes without credit.

I wrote:

I think that the "Based on _____'s project" should be removed, this [idea] should not be implemented, users should be able to see who downloaded their projects, and remixers required to give credit manually,

Oh, the import project button?
+1 on being able to see who downloaded something.

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#29 2013-01-04 04:36:48

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

ST already said a ''based on...'' already counts as credit.


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#30 2013-01-04 17:07:20

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

when gf clicked
repeat until <(timer) > [10]>
  go to [mouse-pointer v]
end
Say  [I always give credit when I make remixes] for (3) secs

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#31 2013-01-04 17:44:23

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

soniku3 wrote:

ST already said a ''based on...'' already counts as credit.

It's still disrespectful, and if you would be kind enough to read up a post from yours, inside the quotes there I outlined a flaw in the "based on" system and method to counteract it. Also, who sees that thing? I mean, honestly! I could view a project five times and still probably miss it.


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#32 2013-01-04 18:15:36

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

lalala3 wrote:

soniku3 wrote:

ST already said a ''based on...'' already counts as credit.

It's still disrespectful, and if you would be kind enough to read up a post from yours, inside the quotes there I outlined a flaw in the "based on" system and method to counteract it. Also, who sees that thing? I mean, honestly! I could view a project five times and still probably miss it.

I always see the original version.  My point is proven.  It'll be impossible to make it perfect.


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#33 2013-01-04 18:20:09

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

Firedrake969 wrote:

lalala3 wrote:

soniku3 wrote:

ST already said a ''based on...'' already counts as credit.

It's still disrespectful, and if you would be kind enough to read up a post from yours, inside the quotes there I outlined a flaw in the "based on" system and method to counteract it. Also, who sees that thing? I mean, honestly! I could view a project five times and still probably miss it.

I always see the original version.  My point is proven.

Well, it's not like it's glaringly obvious when you look at a project.

Firedrake969 wrote:

It'll be impossible to make it perfect.

Yes, so I proposed Plan C:

I wrote:

I think that the "Based on _____'s project" should be removed, this [idea] should not be implemented, users should be able to see who downloaded their projects, and remixers required to give credit manually,

Any flaws in this, please tell me.

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#34 2013-01-04 19:44:32

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

lalala3 wrote:

Firedrake969 wrote:

lalala3 wrote:


It's still disrespectful, and if you would be kind enough to read up a post from yours, inside the quotes there I outlined a flaw in the "based on" system and method to counteract it. Also, who sees that thing? I mean, honestly! I could view a project five times and still probably miss it.

I always see the original version.  My point is proven.

Well, it's not like it's glaringly obvious when you look at a project.

Firedrake969 wrote:

It'll be impossible to make it perfect.

Yes, so I proposed Plan C:

I wrote:

I think that the "Based on _____'s project" should be removed, this [idea] should not be implemented, users should be able to see who downloaded their projects, and remixers required to give credit manually,

Any flaws in this, please tell me.

most of the people don't give credit and we get tons more reports for mods to deal with?

most people who do just copy projects don't bother to remove the based on ___

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#35 2013-01-05 06:08:43

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

GamerMinersTeam wrote:

when gf clicked
repeat until <(timer) > [10]>
  go to [mouse-pointer v]
end
Say  [I always give credit when I make remixes] for (3) secs

Not everyone does though

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#36 2013-01-05 10:47:35

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

People can always remove the notes, though.  No support.


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#37 2013-01-05 11:48:57

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

minecraftpe123 wrote:

GamerMinersTeam wrote:

when gf clicked
repeat until <(timer) > [10]>
  go to [mouse-pointer v]
end
Say  [I always give credit when I make remixes] for (3) secs

Not everyone does though

Most people rely on the auto credit.


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#38 2013-01-05 14:05:38

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

What if you downloaded a bunch of stuff from scratch resources? You project notes will be filled with "I give credit to x I give credit to y I give credit to z..."

Also, if someone took an image from the internet and made it into a sprite. should credit really belong to them, or those who first created to image?


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#39 2013-01-05 14:30:08

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

joefarebrother wrote:

What if you downloaded a bunch of stuff from scratch resources? You project notes will be filled with "I give credit to x I give credit to y I give credit to z..."

Also, if someone took an image from the internet and made it into a sprite. should credit really belong to them, or those who first created to image?

As I said, the original creator would have the decision of whether it will give credit in the notes or not.

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#40 2013-01-05 16:36:57

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

minecraftpe123 wrote:

joefarebrother wrote:

What if you downloaded a bunch of stuff from scratch resources? You project notes will be filled with "I give credit to x I give credit to y I give credit to z..."

Also, if someone took an image from the internet and made it into a sprite. should credit really belong to them, or those who first created to image?

As I said, the original creator would have the decision of whether it will give credit in the notes or not.

the original creator? so were going to go have to ask random graphic designers online if they were the original creators of the sprites?

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#41 2013-01-05 16:42:05

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

less people read the notes than the based on thing
anyway, theres no way to stop people so why bother changing it
its not like people are copying commercial games and selling them for profit


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#42 2013-01-05 16:59:09

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

zubblewu wrote:

less people read the notes than the based on thing
anyway, theres no way to stop people so why bother changing it
its not like people are copying commercial games and selling them for profit

yes so all we have is our project and thats what they have taken from us...

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#43 2013-01-05 17:55:05

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

zubblewu wrote:

less people read the notes than the based on thing
anyway, theres no way to stop people so why bother changing it
its not like people are copying commercial games and selling them for profit

1. Actually, more people read the notes.
2. Well, his idea makes it more noticeable, and my idea is very nearly foolproof.
3. It's a matter of respect.


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#44 2013-01-05 18:26:52

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

lalala3 wrote:

zubblewu wrote:

less people read the notes than the based on thing
anyway, theres no way to stop people so why bother changing it
its not like people are copying commercial games and selling them for profit

1. Actually, more people read the notes.
2. Well, his idea makes it more noticeable, and my idea is very nearly foolproof.
3. It's a matter of respect.

I'm not sure what we're discussing here, but I'll just say a few things:
the Scratch team supports the fact that credit should be given
it's not fair for people who work hard and others copy and pretend they did all the work
it's good practice for the future where you could get in trouble with laws
I don't know whose side this is helping, but its important to remember these

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#45 2013-01-05 18:30:44

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

lalala3 wrote:

zubblewu wrote:

less people read the notes than the based on thing
anyway, theres no way to stop people so why bother changing it
its not like people are copying commercial games and selling them for profit

1. Actually, more people read the notes.
2. Well, his idea makes it more noticeable, and my idea is very nearly foolproof.
3. It's a matter of respect.

Not exactly.  Everyone relies on the based on X for credit.


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#46 2013-01-05 20:15:50

lalala3
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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

Firedrake969 wrote:

lalala3 wrote:

zubblewu wrote:

less people read the notes than the based on thing
anyway, theres no way to stop people so why bother changing it
its not like people are copying commercial games and selling them for profit

1. Actually, more people read the notes.
2. Well, his idea makes it more noticeable, and my idea is very nearly foolproof.
3. It's a matter of respect.

Not exactly.  Everyone relies on the based on X for credit.

Well, then I don't approve of anyone who's a part of your "everyone". It doesn't matter if only one person does it, it doesn't matter if every single Scratcher save a few do it, it doesn't make it right.


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#47 2013-01-05 20:32:27

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

At least there's some credit being given.

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#48 2013-02-17 16:05:56

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

Looks Legal that is a Great Idea I don't like people that copy (IDBIDCTGICEMC)

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#49 2013-02-17 16:16:39

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

It's fine.  Besides, I would be flattered if someone remix my project, cause that means they like it.


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#50 2013-02-17 18:39:42

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Re: Better automatic Credit on remixes

minecraftpe123 wrote:

Since people never give credit, it should be an option for the creator of a project to tick a box so that if someone is to remix it will automatically say on the notes "I give credit to(Player Here)" It should not only be on remixes, but if you export sprites from other people projects. Including music and backgrounds. Please bring this into scratch 2.0, im begging!!!

(this isSilverado's idea)

Please reply if you support this idea!

I support. This is a good idea!


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