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Why is everyone saying that he killed his brother? What's your source on that?

I'm gonna go to Conneticut on about the 29th.

zubblewu wrote:

jackrulez wrote:

777w wrote:

Sorry 

And Cozyhut, human beings don't randomly kill people.

Human beings do
Sane ones do not, though

Oh for God's sake.

That is a disgusting thing to say. That is an extremely ableist thing to say. You really do not understand this world if you think that without mentally disabled people nobody would murder people without reasoning.

PonyvilleSlugger wrote:

FunDude wrote:

The suspected Shooter was reported to be acting oddly by family members. He was probably mentally ill. I personnally belive guns aren't the cause of violence. It's the person holding the gun who does.

If the person didn't own a gun they wouldn't be able to use it.

In England 8 people are killed by a handgun per year, in America over 10k are.

And I don't know any teachers who bring a gun to school with them so it's not like everywhere in America is defended against shooters

Even if handguns were legally restricted, it would still be relatively easy to procure illegal firearms.
It would quite probably be rather ineffective to ban handguns, as in the case of Australia and Chicago.
(source) http://www.infowars.com/cold-hard-facts-on-gun-bans-the-cost-of-liberty-can-be-measured-in-the-loss-of-life/

However, guns are far more likely to be used to intimidate or threaten others rather than in self-defense. Easier access to weapons does mean a higher chance of misuse.
(source) http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use/index.html

Either way, the fault is not with the level of gun control. It was the individual who entered that school and killed people, not the gun.

(slightly) Unrelated but interesting: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-wrong-ryan-lanza-pictured-on-cbs-2012-12

in response to resistance:


" "oh he's a nutjob-those mentally ill people, ready to go at any time aren't they!"
I didn't say that "
fgs you IMPLIED IT.


" "i repeat, HE HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS MENTALLY ILL"
hasn't been confirmed as mentally healthy either, makes place for speculation as it is impossible to confirm now that he's dead "
yes let's just assume everyone is mentally ill because i mean, they could be, right?

" "they're REAL PEOPLE"
never said they weren't "
IMPLIED IT.

" "they have lives"
never said they didn't "
IMPLIED IT.

" "they can get on with their day to day business"
never said they couldn't "
IMPLIED IT.

" "they are not your SCAPEGOAT"
never said they were "
IMPLIED IT.

" "normal healthy people do GO INTO schools and SHOOT PEOPLE"
i disagree with you, if revenge is so important to you that you feel the need to kill 18 kids between the ages of 5-10 then in my honest opinion you need to see someone "
different people have different reasoning, he could easily have thought his actions made sense, without being mentally ill. i mean who knows, maybe we're all the mentally ill ones and the ones we consider ill are actually sane.

" "also you feel the need to clarify that mentally ill people AREN'T NORMAL"
in every day terms they aren't normal, though there is nothing wrong with that "
in every day terms THEY ARE NORMAL. so ment. ill people can't go about having a normal every day life? no, they can't. BECAUSE YOU WON'T LET THEM.

" and to be honest I find it insulting that you are preaching these things to me as if I don't know what mental illnesses and disorders are, when I suffer from agoraphobia. i am not an ableist and I find it disgusting that you would even call me one. "
why would you be disgusted are hearing that you're something you have been clearly presenting yourself as?

veggieman001 wrote:

Why is everyone saying that he killed his brother? What's your source on that?

just how i feel, but didnt his brother kill the dad?
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werdna123 wrote:

777w wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

Oh for God's sake.

That is a disgusting thing to say. That is an extremely ableist thing to say. You really do not understand this world if you think that without mentally disabled people nobody would murder people without reasoning.

ok nobody said all mentally disabled people are murderers, people are saying that in order to commit the crimes that this man did you couldbnt be in a stable state of mind

well i don't believe the red to be true. they are blindly assuming that because he did something bad he must be disabled.

its not just that he did something bad, people who arent having problems of some sort dont just go into schools and kill innocent children!

777w wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

777w wrote:

ok nobody said all mentally disabled people are murderers, people are saying that in order to commit the crimes that this man did you couldbnt be in a stable state of mind

well i don't believe the red to be true. they are blindly assuming that because he did something bad he must be disabled.

its not just that he did something bad, people who arent having problems of some sort dont just go into schools and kill innocent children!

ok thanks i'll repeat what i just said shall i?

thewwefan wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

777w wrote:

ok nobody said all mentally disabled people are murderers, people are saying that in order to commit the crimes that this man did you couldbnt be in a stable state of mind

well i don't believe the red to be true. they are blindly assuming that because he did something bad he must be disabled.

some people do this cus their angry, but if they kill themself, their most likey metaly unheathy, just read my post

afaik most suicides are from perfectly "normal" sane people who are going through extreme stress or depression.

thewwefan wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

thewwefan wrote:

some people do this cus their angry, but if they kill themself, their most likey metaly unheathy, just read my post

afaik most suicides are from perfectly "normal" sane people who are going through extreme stress or depression.

ok, I SAID READ MY POST, it says that most likey the people kill themself after they do it cus they feel sorry and want reveage on themself, ok?

how exactly would you know this

werdna123 wrote:

zubblewu wrote:

jackrulez wrote:

Sorry 

And Cozyhut, human beings don't randomly kill people.

Human beings do
Sane ones do not, though

Oh for God's sake.

That is a disgusting thing to say. That is an extremely ableist thing to say. You really do not understand this world if you think that without mentally disabled people nobody would murder people without reasoning.

I said sane. You ever seen someone go into a rage and do illogical things because of their emotions? And you're assuming that I think all mentally disabled people are murderers. I said sane people don't randomly kill people. I'm disgusted that you say that. I in no way said anything along the lines of "ALL MENTALLY DISABLED PEOPLE ARE TERRIBLE MURDERERS" did I?

thewwefan wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

how you feel is no reason to say someone killed someone who hasn't even been reported dead.

i heard on the news that they think the dad was killed by the brother, but then they stopped talking about him, hints the reason i said unofficial!

I thought the murder killed a kindergartener's mom that worked at that school.

werdna123 wrote:

thewwefan wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

afaik most suicides are from perfectly "normal" sane people who are going through extreme stress or depression.

ok, I SAID READ MY POST, it says that most likey the people kill themself after they do it cus they feel sorry and want reveage on themself, ok?

but if they're mentally ill surely they wouldn't feel bad about what they'd done, right? isn't that what you've been going on about all this time?

and sorry mods/st if this is getting to be too aggressive of a debate.

ok, i see were your going, but sometimes metaly ill people just wake up and SNAP! they are rage filled, but after what they see what they have done, im sure the rage goes away