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777w wrote:

murder like this is never a good thing, my condolences go out to the families of the people killed in the attack
i wouldnt call the man "sick," i dont think ive ever heard of an event like this where the killer was not suffering from some sort of mental problems, and mental problems, when left undealt with, can cause you to do things that almost no human in their right mind would do

by sick i would assume most people meant mental sickness as you said above

This is quite tragic. There sure is alot of bad news this festive season (hoax call suicide, this, hurricane sandy) - let's hope that there's some good news for Christmas. Anyway, I hope that my respect goes out to the shattered families affected by the horrific incident.

(I shouldn't really be listening to Skrillex's Kill Everybody at this time should I?  )

PonyvilleSlugger wrote:

FunDude wrote:

The suspected Shooter was reported to be acting oddly by family members. He was probably mentally ill. I personnally belive guns aren't the cause of violence. It's the person holding the gun who does.

If the person didn't own a gun they wouldn't be able to use it.

In England 8 people are killed by a handgun per year, in America over 10k are.

And I don't know any teachers who bring a gun to school with them so it's not like everywhere in America is defended against shooters

jackrulez wrote:

Anything worswe than like, airsoft guns should be il;;egal.

Let's not turn this topic into a debate on gun control, please.  I know it's very tempting but let's save that for another day when emotions are not so high.  Gun control is a very heated topic by itself and I think it would take away from people trying to discuss the actual event.

I can't believe this really happened    It is so sad!

And now another 22 kids have just died in a school from a knife attack by some mentally unstable people.

werdna123 wrote:

And now another 22 kids have just died in a school from a knife attack by some mentally unstable people.

This is really sad, I'm not quite sure of whether it's the open availablity of dangerous equipment or the lack of sustainable treatment for those with mental illnesses.

My respect goes out to the families of those injured and I hope that they recover soon.

werdna123 wrote:

Jinck wrote:

I mean, we should take his dead body and let all the families of those dead kids shot it with his own gun.

Saying that has made you worse than the shooter in my eyes.

it's an eye for an eye system isn't it

it's clever in theory (actually no but it appeals to some people), but an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
before long you'll have those families saying that NO THAT'S NOT ENOUGH JUSTICE and suddenly they'll be killing the family members of the shooter
and the government won't be able to do anything because they've instilled it in the people
it's revenge
i remember an interesting article on tailsteak about that concept
i'll see if i can find it
edit: i can't link it because bad word but here we go:

The English language is a funny thing, especially when it comes to connotations. Take, for example, the word "revenge".

Revenge is a silly, primitive, selfish, brutish concept. We see it in children and we are disgusted, as though we had caught this miniature version of ourselves playing in excrement. We teach them that revenge is bad, that they shouldn't resort to violent retaliation.

And yet... "vengeance"... or, better yet, "avenge". It's essentially the same word, but it carries a completely different connotation. It sounds noble, it sounds right. You have a duty to avenge your fallen comrades.

"Revenge" is the motivation for the villain in the sequel to a Disney movie. "Vengeance" is the motivation for the noble knight who swears to honour the memory of his beloved. There is even a team of comic book vigilantes called the "Avengers", and they are considered superheroes.

It's all the same concept, all the same root word, all the same infantile reaction to perceived injury. Whether you're turning the prince into a toad because the king banished you, or swearing to kill the eleven-fingered man who murdered your father, it all comes from that instinctive need to "get even".

Vengeance is at the core of many of the world's most enduring and moronic conflicts. Inevitably, the feud extends in all directions, leaving the initial seed argument far behind. Vengeance, when taken seriously, never makes things even. It creates a perpetual spiral. We as a species don't know our own strength.

Perhaps you remember, a while back, some protestor of the Iraq war was on some American radio program, and it caused a stir. The protestor had lost his father in the attack of September 11th, and was desperately trying to convince the host that, no, the dead man would not be pleased that his death was being used as justification for a war. It devolved into a on-air shouting match.

So, just so there is no confusion, I have made it clear to my friends and family... and now, to all of you...

Regardless of how painful or unfair my death may be, you are not to seek revenge on my behalf.

By all means, take reasonable steps to prevent the guilty party from killing again, and hold them accountable for whatever laws they have broken, but do not feel any special obligation to make them suffer as I have suffered, or die as I have died.

I encourage you to talk to your loved ones about not avenging your death, and put it in writing. True, the odds that any of us will be victims of a homicide are slim, but it can't hurt to be candid. Together, we can help to decelerate the cycle of violence that defaces human history.

Last edited by jukyter (2012-12-15 06:26:59)

well when you go into a school and shoot your mother and then 26 other people, people are going to assume there is something wrong with you. it isn't normal and it does point massive speculation to mental wellness and whether you had a mental disorder/illness.

normal healthy people don't go into an elementary school and shoot kids. there are a number of other factors that could have led to him doing this, but all have some relevance to his mental health.

and since he is dead it isn't really possible to confirm he was mentally ill, so you have to make some educated guesses.

Last edited by resistance (2012-12-15 07:09:49)

jukyter wrote:

resistance wrote:

well when you go into a school and shoot your mother and then 26 other people, people are going to assume there is something wrong with you. it isn't normal and it does point massive speculation to mental wellness and whether you had a mental disorder/illness.

normal healthy people don't go into an elementary school and shoot kids. there are a number of other factors that could have led to him doing this, but all have some relevance to his mental health.

and since he is dead it isn't really possible to confirm he was mentally ill, so you have to make some educated guesses.

it's all for revenge
that's what all the school shootings have been about, whether you like it or not
the columbine shooters wanted to get revenge on the athletes at their school, the favoured athletes
you CANNOT go DEMONISING whole groups of REAL PEOPLE because you fancy yourself an armchair psychologist
i repeat, HE HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS MENTALLY ILL
you cannot say 'oh he's a nutjob-those mentally ill people, ready to go at any time aren't they!'
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT
they're REAL PEOPLE
they have lives
they can get on with their day to day business
they are not your SCAPEGOAT
normal healthy people do GO INTO schools and SHOOT PEOPLE
also you feel the need to clarify that mentally ill people AREN'T NORMAL
us against them amirit guys amirit????
NO YOU'RE NOT
that is so so so SO ableist i can't tell you
you're INSULTING REAL PEOPLE
just ugh i can't tell you

jukyter calm down
it was a reasonable guess because as far as i know, no one would do that if they were sane

Paddle2See wrote:

PonyvilleSlugger wrote:

FunDude wrote:

The suspected Shooter was reported to be acting oddly by family members. He was probably mentally ill. I personnally belive guns aren't the cause of violence. It's the person holding the gun who does.

If the person didn't own a gun they wouldn't be able to use it.

In England 8 people are killed by a handgun per year, in America over 10k are.

And I don't know any teachers who bring a gun to school with them so it's not like everywhere in America is defended against shooters

jackrulez wrote:

Anything worswe than like, airsoft guns should be il;;egal.

Let's not turn this topic into a debate on gun control, please.  I know it's very tempting but let's save that for another day when emotions are not so high.  Gun control is a very heated topic by itself and I think it would take away from people trying to discuss the actual event.

I'm just going to leave my two cents here.

I also posted, about why we needed tighter gun control in the thread of the Aurora shooting back in the summer, and I similarly got some disapproval for it. I will acknowledge that I put in a little sarcastic comment there which wasn't proper for the time.
However, I still think the discussion is necessary. If one of my relatives or friends were killed in some event like this, I would want two things. First, I would want the shooter brought to justice. And second, I would want to make sure this never happened to anyone, ever again. We simply can't sustain a society where mass shootings happen every four months.

werdna123 wrote:

Jinck wrote:

I mean, we should take his dead body and let all the families of those dead kids shot it with his own gun.

Saying that has made you worse than the shooter in my eyes.

You don't just go deleting the important part of that post to make me look bad. I simply meant that there is no respect for someone who kills innocents.

jukyter wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

Jinck wrote:

I mean, we should take his dead body and let all the families of those dead kids shot it with his own gun.

Saying that has made you worse than the shooter in my eyes.

it's an eye for an eye system isn't it

it's clever in theory (actually no but it appeals to some people), but an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
before long you'll have those families saying that NO THAT'S NOT ENOUGH JUSTICE and suddenly they'll be killing the family members of the shooter
and the government won't be able to do anything because they've instilled it in the people
it's revenge
i remember an interesting article on tailsteak about that concept
i'll see if i can find it
edit: i can't link it because bad word but here we go:

I did not mean that literally, you people fail to understand. I was just stating what the shooter deserved.

stevetheipad wrote:

FunDude wrote:

The suspected Shooter was reported to be acting oddly by family members. He was probably mentally ill. I personnally belive guns aren't the cause of violence. It's the person holding the gun who does.

So you're willing to have 20 little children killed so you can continue hunting? I believe guns should be delt with, I personally agree that I'd be nice to have the luxury of being able to own weapons for hunting and such but not at the cost of many little children's lives.

If guns were outlawed, he would of been able to kill the children anyway. He broke multiple laws already, one more wouldn't stop him.