Scratch

yeah


I don't get it

I support, I guess.

SJRCS_011 wrote:

eh, you'd need a whole heck of a lot of alts
don't really support cause probably wouldn't happen 

it did

cheddargirl wrote:

joletole wrote:

I kind of think this row is a bit useless. You can cheat by making test accounts and remixing your project. It is kind of like the Top Downloaded row, that got removed because people were cheating.

So, I think this row should be removed.

Supporters:
Joletole

But that type of action is very rare, and when you flag the projects down, the Scratch Team can easily get the cheat projects off the front page. 

The cheats shouldn't even get their views and love-its in the first place so it's better to have the row removed. Support.

We don't want an "Operation: FLAG CHEAT PROJECTS". 

cheddargirl wrote:

Mokat wrote:

jontmy00 wrote:

The cheats shouldn't even get their views and love-its in the first place so it's better to have the row removed. Support.

^this. Plus, it woold be hard to flag all the cheat project.

You only need to flag one with a clear and understandable report explaining the situation. We have a way to remove remix project cheats en masse in one move. 

I don't understand why you want to remove the remix row based only on one cheating scheme that is easily corrected. There have been times where users try to cheat their way into Top Loved and Top Viewed as well with their own schemes, yet you guys are not demanding for the removal of the Top Viewed and Top Loved spots. 

Top Viewed and Top Loved have a high percentage of good projects that showcase programming skills. Top Remixed has a huge percentage of coloring contests, etc. that don't represent what Scratch is about — programming.

cheddargirl wrote:

jontmy00 wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

You only need to flag one with a clear and understandable report explaining the situation. We have a way to remove remix project cheats en masse in one move. 

I don't understand why you want to remove the remix row based only on one cheating scheme that is easily corrected. There have been times where users try to cheat their way into Top Loved and Top Viewed as well with their own schemes, yet you guys are not demanding for the removal of the Top Viewed and Top Loved spots. 

Top Viewed and Top Loved have a high percentage of good projects that showcase programming skills. Top Remixed has a huge percentage of coloring contests, etc. that don't represent what Scratch is about — programming.

But now getting into a different reason for getting rid of the Top Remixed row, one that's different from the originl topic.

Getting more diverse projects into Top Remixed is up the community. And while it would be nice to see more diverse project in that row, it doesn't mean lack of it justifies getting rid of it.

You have a point there.

joletole wrote:

Well, if the ST is able to not get projects on the front page, then why dont we have the Top Downloaded anymore.

Unlike Top Viewed/Top Loved/Top Remixed which was largely based on what the community liked, Top Downloaded was largely affected by issues where Scratchers said that a project had to be downloaded in order to work, which was not necessarily a reflection on whether or not a Scratcher was downloading a project if they liked it or if it was due to an online bug of some sort. But this was during the era of the Java online player, though (back when a large number of projects didn't even load online forcing users to download in order to even view a project), I don't know if it will be brought back anytime soon.

jontmy00 wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

Mokat wrote:

^this. Plus, it woold be hard to flag all the cheat project.

You only need to flag one with a clear and understandable report explaining the situation. We have a way to remove remix project cheats en masse in one move. 

I don't understand why you want to remove the remix row based only on one cheating scheme that is easily corrected. There have been times where users try to cheat their way into Top Loved and Top Viewed as well with their own schemes, yet you guys are not demanding for the removal of the Top Viewed and Top Loved spots. 

Top Viewed and Top Loved have a high percentage of good projects that showcase programming skills. Top Remixed has a huge percentage of coloring contests, etc. that don't represent what Scratch is about — programming.

Only that? Dude , these coloring contests can be awesome. Scratch isn't about programming , it's about sharing , imaging , and programming.

jontmy00 wrote:

soniku3 wrote:

jontmy00 wrote:

Top Viewed and Top Loved have a high percentage of good projects that showcase programming skills. Top Remixed has a huge percentage of coloring contests, etc. that don't represent what Scratch is about — programming.

Only that? Dude , these coloring contests can be awesome. Scratch isn't about programming , it's about sharing , imaging , and programming.

The motto of Scratch is "imagine • program • share". Do art projects even show any value in programming?

The answer is no. Sure, the art might be good, but there usually is no programming involved (sometimes there's music or a "press space" thing) and a lot of these projects would probably be better off on Deviantart anyways. It's true that people can cheat into top loved and top viewed, but that's really hard because you can only get one view per IP address, and you can only love-it once per account, but with remixing you can remix it like ten times. That's why the TOp Downloaded was removed- because you can download it over and over and get an easy frontpage.

jontmy00 wrote:

Mokat wrote:

jontmy00 wrote:

The motto of Scratch is "imagine • program • share". Do art projects even show any value in programming?

The answer is no. Sure, the art might be good, but there usually is no programming involved (sometimes there's music or a "press space" thing) and a lot of these projects would probably be better off on Deviantart anyways. It's true that people can cheat into top loved and top viewed, but that's really hard because you can only get one view per IP address, and you can only love-it once per account, but with remixing you can remix it like ten times. That's why the TOp Downloaded was removed- because you can download it over and over and get an easy frontpage.

+1.

Well , art is imagine. And you share it. I doesn't have to be programmed per se.

Mokat wrote:

soniku3 wrote:

jontmy00 wrote:

+1.

Well , art is imagine. And you share it. I doesn't have to be programmed per se.

But the motto of Scratch is imagine • program • Share. You can put art on Deviantart anyways.

don't you have to be 13 to get a dA? or no?

cause then we'll have a bunch of littler kids complaining their parents won't let them sign up or something and they'll still post their art here or stuff like that

but i really don't think scratch should be used just for art. the scratch team might as well get rid of the blocks then, except for "when space pressed next costume" (all as one new block XP)

(this also applies to those people who use scratch (galleries) only to RP)
it's okay if they do other things like the art is a drawing of a character of their game or something, but i'm pretty sure there's a lot of people who just post their art on here.

So i'm not saying scratch should remove the top remixed, but they should limit the kinds of things that go there (or on scratch in general)

mainly because the point of top remixing is because people are curious about the code/can make the code/project better/both, and coloring contests/add yourself (especially those that are persuading to the common people like "remix and sign if you're against bullying if you don't you support it" or stuff like that) don't quite fulfill the purpose of the row.

a great example of this is (i'm not sure whose it was but) "Remix and add a level!" It was a platformer, so each person adding a level made a great, long game, which was an intuitive idea. more things like this should be made and put on this row instead of "hey color this well and you get another colored thing back as a prize"

Last edited by kayybee (2012-12-11 19:05:36)