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slapperbob wrote:

Wait, when did the iPad 4 come out? And didn't the iPad 3 just come out earlier this year?

fire219 wrote:

the iPad 4 came out November 2nd

Yes, the iPad 3 was released earlier this year.

TorbyFork234 wrote:

CheckItNow12 wrote:

They both stink.

Windows 8 is just made by lazy Microsoft developers, and it's been just about half a year since the new iPad. I believe these upgrades are worthless, pointless, and a waste of money.

If you want to save money, get the product every other year, so now it'll be a large upgrade for you, and you save money.

jji7skyline wrote:

It's about density, so a 17" Retina would have a much larger resolution than a 10" Retina display. And you have no idea how crisp things look on a retina display.

I'm assuming Retina is as an upgrade from 1080p, as 1080p is as an upgrade from 720p, right?

Retina is different for every screen size. But iPad's Retina display is around 3 times higher resolution than 1080p.

@Torby: Yep. 4 times as many pixels as even a 60" LCD TV.

Last edited by jji7skyline (2012-11-18 21:41:07)

There is no talk about the iPad 4 because it is a pathetic product. Whoever in Apple who approved its release should really be fired. A six-month product cycle and nothing but a processor and connector refresh doesn't deserve any attention.
Windows 8 on the other hand is a complete overhaul of the Windows experience. Also, don't confuse Windows 8 and Windows RT. Windows 8 is a full OS, just with the start menu replaced by metro. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM processors and isn't able to run standard Windows apps, or any app not on Microsoft's store.

Also, the retina display is hype for normal consumers. I am not even sure that the retina display is even the future for non-apple companies, seeing as most companies have been content to put an awful 1366*768 resolution.  This is tech not needed except for pros doing video or photo editing for a living. Text on the retina display is chunkier than on the non-retina, and I am perfectly content with my iPad 2 resolution, but I would prefer a more standard 1920*1200 resolution or something as opposed to the arbitrary "retina." The same goes for computers as well. The battery life goes down on the 3 as well due to needing extra power, and they push the limits of what GPUs today can actually handle. Give me 1080p, not retina.

Last edited by 16Skittles (2012-11-19 17:09:58)

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

There is no talk about the iPad 4 because it is a pathetic product. Whoever in Apple who approved its release should really be fired. A six-month product cycle and nothing but a processor and connector refresh doesn't deserve any attention.
Windows 8 on the other hand is a complete overhaul of the Windows experience. Also, don't confuse Windows 8 and Windows RT. Windows 8 is a full OS, just with the start menu replaced by metro. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM processors and isn't able to run standard Windows apps, or any app not on Microsoft's store.

Not just any processor refresh... an A6X, the best ARM SoC ever made 

And I know all about the difference between RT and 8. I just hope that those people who buy the Surface RT know about the difference as well 

Come on, this is a tablet. 75% of users will probably just use their iPad for Safari, Angry Birds, and Facebook. This is an ultraportable tablet, not a professional video editing machine or a hardcore gaming machine. I challenge you to find a game that is unplayable on the A5 on my iPad 2. NOVA 3, a 1.8GB FPS with epic graphics is playable. Apple needs to focus less on the processor and more on things like camera (awful), wireless connectivity (disgraceful) and RAM (minuscule).

Also see my edit. 

Last edited by 16Skittles (2012-11-19 17:14:44)

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

There is no talk about the iPad 4 because it is a pathetic product. Whoever in Apple who approved its release should really be fired. A six-month product cycle and nothing but a processor and connector refresh doesn't deserve any attention.
Windows 8 on the other hand is a complete overhaul of the Windows experience. Also, don't confuse Windows 8 and Windows RT. Windows 8 is a full OS, just with the start menu replaced by metro. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM processors and isn't able to run standard Windows apps, or any app not on Microsoft's store.

Not just any processor refresh... an A6X, the best ARM SoC ever made 

And I know all about the difference between RT and 8. I just hope that those people who buy the Surface RT know about the difference as well 

Come on, this is a tablet. 75% of users will probably just use their iPad for Safari, Angry Birds, and Facebook. This is an ultraportable tablet, not a professional video editing machine or a hardcore gaming machine. I challenge you to find a game that is unplayable on the A5 on my iPad 2. NOVA 3, a 1.8GB FPS with epic graphics is playable. Apple needs to focus less on the processor and more on things like camera (awful), wireless connectivity (disgraceful) and RAM (minuscule).

Also see my edit. 

It'll work just fine on your iPad 2 (I've got one too). However, it's not about things working r not working, it's about improvements. The faster the processor, the faster everything is, and who doesn't want things to load faster?

im still going to stick with my lack of tablet and my windows xp

What's all this hate towards the iPad 4 for?

Was it released too early? Yes. However, it doesn't matter. It's nice because for the same price you get some upgrades (not significant, but who won't take 'em?). And there's no harm in it because it's not being advertised as a new product and the iPad three isn't for sale so nobody can complain about buying their iPad 3 the day before the iPad 4 coming out when they could have saved $100 is they would have waited a day.

There's nothing negative to say about the upgrade from 3 to 4 itself. There's not much positive, but you can't criticize it a ton either.

stevetheipad wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

Not just any processor refresh... an A6X, the best ARM SoC ever made 

And I know all about the difference between RT and 8. I just hope that those people who buy the Surface RT know about the difference as well 

Come on, this is a tablet. 75% of users will probably just use their iPad for Safari, Angry Birds, and Facebook. This is an ultraportable tablet, not a professional video editing machine or a hardcore gaming machine. I challenge you to find a game that is unplayable on the A5 on my iPad 2. NOVA 3, a 1.8GB FPS with epic graphics is playable. Apple needs to focus less on the processor and more on things like camera (awful), wireless connectivity (disgraceful) and RAM (minuscule).

Also see my edit. 

It'll work just fine on your iPad 2 (I've got one too). However, it's not about things working r not working, it's about improvements. The faster the processor, the faster everything is, and who doesn't want things to load faster?

Not really. CPU doesn't affect loading. As I said, they need more RAM to hold more data, not more CPU power. It's annoying for me to have a project in iMovie, go to Chrome to download some pictures, then need to reload all of iMovie. Also annoying is to go on Reddit, open a bunch of tabs, then need to wait for them to reload because the RAM is insufficient.

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

There is no talk about the iPad 4 because it is a pathetic product. Whoever in Apple who approved its release should really be fired. A six-month product cycle and nothing but a processor and connector refresh doesn't deserve any attention.
Windows 8 on the other hand is a complete overhaul of the Windows experience. Also, don't confuse Windows 8 and Windows RT. Windows 8 is a full OS, just with the start menu replaced by metro. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM processors and isn't able to run standard Windows apps, or any app not on Microsoft's store.

Not just any processor refresh... an A6X, the best ARM SoC ever made 

And I know all about the difference between RT and 8. I just hope that those people who buy the Surface RT know about the difference as well 

Not gonna argue, it won't change your mind.....

Anyway, I think that the Transformer Pad Infinity is better than a Win8/RT tablet or the iPad 4. Tegra3 and Android Jelly Bean combined is a force to be reckoned with. 

Windows 8 is fine. Windows RT is NOT.

Windows 8 tablets? Yes. Windows RT? No. Is the Surface RT a Windows 8 tablet? No.

I respect the transformer pad, but I have tried it, and it seems a little clunky. Plus it runs Android, which isn't well known for having a lot of stability, or being very smooth.

Remember the tablet is for extreme portability. If you want a little less portability, why not just get a properly thin laptop like an Air? Or a Vaio Z if you are the Windows kinda guy. For the Tablet, the screen matters. Transformer doesn't have a very good screen (not as high resolution), whereas tablets like the iPad and the Nexus 10 do.

But with fragmentation, not many Android apps can take advantage of the high resolution screen of devices like the Nexus 10.

This is why the iPad ultimately wins, tablet wise.

Hybrid-wise, I don't know. Maybe the surface, maybe the transformer, maybe something else.

my take on this:

Surface is a tablet that looks like a laptop
Surface pro is a laptop that looks like a tablet

:S

i tried one of these once, its too fat for a Tablet and too annoying (cant use on lap, heavy screen) for a laptop

Last edited by Laternenpfahl (2012-11-19 20:25:33)