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calebxy wrote:

9star wrote:

Necromaster wrote:

You see, cats and dogs do a rather messy job of killing our fine (nice), fine (small), and furry little friends. Traps and poison do it quickly without the needless gore.

cats naturally hunt them. the ancestors of our cats [the wildcats] have been killing them for thousands of years so really it's fine where poison/traps haven't been around for that long.                                                                                      and dogs generally just scare them away.

Yes, but killing them by traps is more humane, since it's a much quicker and more sudden death than being chased, attacked and killed by a cat.

killing something isn't humane at all, its just not possible.

9star wrote:

maxskywalker wrote:

9star wrote:

like i've said before it won't forget how to find it's own food because they are smart.

No, they are NOT smart.  They survive on instinct, and you are killing their survival instincts.

i've posted this link before but you obviously didn't click it. pigeons are as smart as monkeys!!

You're most definitely wrong there. I looked at the source you cited; it turns out most pigeons can count. That's great. We still shouldn't be feeding wild animals! It teaches them to expect food from us. It teaches them to forsake finding food in the wild, and instead rely on humans for foodstuffs.

9star wrote:

calebxy wrote:

9star wrote:

cats naturally hunt them. the ancestors of our cats [the wildcats] have been killing them for thousands of years so really it's fine where poison/traps haven't been around for that long.                                                                                      and dogs generally just scare them away.

Yes, but killing them by traps is more humane, since it's a much quicker and more sudden death than being chased, attacked and killed by a cat.

killing something isn't humane at all, its just not possible.

But you're ok with cats killing them?

Necromaster wrote:

9star wrote:

maxskywalker wrote:

No, they are NOT smart.  They survive on instinct, and you are killing their survival instincts.

i've posted this link before but you obviously didn't click it. pigeons are as smart as monkeys!!

You're most definitely wrong there. I looked at the source you cited; it turns out most pigeons can count. That's great. We still shouldn't be feeding wild animals! It teaches them to expect food from us. It teaches them to forsake finding food in the wild, and instead rely on humans for foodstuffs.

ahem, garden Bird-feeders? theres always stuff saying "feed the songbirds this winter ECT ECT"
and feeding them a bag of birdseeds or throwing them some pastry doesn't hurt.

9star wrote:

Necromaster wrote:

9star wrote:

i've posted this link before but you obviously didn't click it. pigeons are as smart as monkeys!!

You're most definitely wrong there. I looked at the source you cited; it turns out most pigeons can count. That's great. We still shouldn't be feeding wild animals! It teaches them to expect food from us. It teaches them to forsake finding food in the wild, and instead rely on humans for foodstuffs.

ahem, garden Bird-feeders? theres always stuff saying "feed the songbirds this winter ECT ECT"
and feeding them a bag of birdseed or throwing them some pastry doesn't hurt.

Yes, there's stuff saying that. Guess who decided to put that on there? Another person that doesn't know what feeding wildlife does to them. It causes them to expect more from you, just like with people. You start feeding them regularly, they won't want you to stop. And then, they forget how to actually get food naturally. Then, if you stop feeding them, or perhaps something happens and you can't feed them for a while, they die of starvation.

This of course, won't all happen after just one feeding, giving birds a bit extra every once and a while is fine. But don't feed them regularly, or have a feeder that can supply them for days. You'll do more damage than good.

calebxy wrote:

sonicfan12p wrote:

9star wrote:

cats are a mouse/rat/pigeon's natural predator so, yes.

You think that being torn to shreds, picked apart, and being left in plain view, is more humane than, you can blink and they're already gone, with very little mess? If I was a bird, I'd go with the latter option.

+100000

+111111111

maxskywalker wrote:

calebxy wrote:

sonicfan12p wrote:

You think that being torn to shreds, picked apart, and being left in plain view, is more humane than, you can blink and they're already gone, with very little mess? If I was a bird, I'd go with the latter option.

+100000

+111111111

It's now, officially, over 9000.

mythbusteranimator wrote:

sonicfan12p wrote:

9star wrote:

cats are a mouse/rat/pigeon's natural predator so, yes.

You think that being torn to shreds, picked apart, and being left in plain view, is more humane than, you can blink and they're already gone, with very little mess? If I was a bird, I'd go with the latter option.

You that while my cat is reading xD
(seriously)

maybe next time you can use TWO verbs!! or should i say...
maybe next time you can TWO verbs
i know, i know
no need to thank me

jukyter wrote:

mythbusteranimator wrote:

sonicfan12p wrote:

You think that being torn to shreds, picked apart, and being left in plain view, is more humane than, you can blink and they're already gone, with very little mess? If I was a bird, I'd go with the latter option.

You that while my cat is reading xD
(seriously)

maybe next time you can use TWO verbs!! or should i say...
maybe next time you can TWO verbs
i know, i know
no need to thank me

i mega failed it

9star wrote:

sonicfan12p wrote:

9star wrote:

cats are a mouse/rat/pigeon's natural predator so, yes.

You think that being torn to shreds, picked apart, and being left in plain view, is more humane than, you can blink and they're already gone, with very little mess? If I was a bird, I'd go with the latter option.

actually most cats kill with a swift bite to the neck. and some poisons leave them to die slowly? and in my house all i find is some guts with No Blood.

Killing with a trap is still more humane, because it's completely sudden and instant and the rat doesn't have the mental torment of being chased.

sonicfan12p wrote:

Ever heard of fighting back? I know cats are sneaky, but birds are alert. A swift bite to the neck would only take out a bird if it wasn't paying attention, or wasn't fast enough. Plus, birds will peck, claw, try to fly away, requiring the cat to claw and pounce, ect. you get where this is going.

Also, poisons do leave them to die slowly, so don't use poisons. Problem solved.

i agree with you there. however, as i've said birds are a cat's natural prey, meaning that it is perfectly natural -however grim- that a cat would kill a bird, although if a mouse/bird can be saved i do usualy try to save it [although i have said earlier that i think it is okay-which it is-it doesn't mean that you shouldn't save one]

maxskywalker wrote:

9star wrote:

sonicfan12p wrote:

Ever heard of fighting back? I know cats are sneaky, but birds are alert. A swift bite to the neck would only take out a bird if it wasn't paying attention, or wasn't fast enough. Plus, birds will peck, claw, try to fly away, requiring the cat to claw and pounce, ect. you get where this is going.

Also, poisons do leave them to die slowly, so don't use poisons. Problem solved.

i agree with you there. however, as i've said birds are a cat's natural prey, meaning that it is perfectly natural -however grim- that a cat would kill a bird, although if a mouse/bird can be saved i do usualy try to save it [although i have said earlier that i think it is okay-which it is-it doesn't mean that you shouldn't save one]

But your argument is the humanity of the death.  If cats being the natural predators of birds makes it a humane death, does that mean that we should shut down all hospitals and ban all medicines so that people can die more natural and 'humane' deaths to colds, cancer, etc.?

This is a first for me, but, +1.   

I can't believe I've never posted a +1 before...

Last edited by sonicfan12p (2013-02-06 22:16:39)

9star wrote:

hi! i was looking on a council website about pigeons to see how stupid their reasons were about why not to feed pigeons. this is the stupedist. it is discrimination.

"Pigeons are wildlife. They are not domesticated and they are not dependant on us to feed them."


yes. pigeons are wildlife BUT......                                                                                     but what about ducks, songbirds ect. they are wildife to! we are encouraged to feed them. but yet not pigeons.   THIS IS MEAN PEOPLE!
a source that pigeons are not disease carrying birds or another source that pigeons pose a low health risk  but a
little girl caught BUBONIC PLAGUE from a squirrel
I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST SQUIRRELS but this is simply proof that squirrels are more dangerous that pigeons. and pigeons cannot carry fleas so you cannot catch the bubonic plague off them!!! . and oh i almost forgot,
pigeons are not pests!!!

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