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9star wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

9star wrote:

i will continue feeding them. they ARE NOT PESTS. we share our towns/cities/parks with them. they can't help "being a problem" (which i don't believe they do). and i never said that because they can't go in a public toilet doesn't make them pests! what i mean was tat they can't help pooing on things. and the reasons on the webpages you posted links to WERE STUPID!!!

We SHOULD NOT be sharing out towns/cities/parks. Pigeons should live in the wild but FEEDING attracts them back to the cities to poop on things and spread disease. Stop feeding, they stop coming and being pests.

feeding pigeons actually helps depressed people get better (TRUE FACT)

again, show your sources or your claims will not be credible

jukyter wrote:

i'd imagine that's like something showing <3 to them

[offtopic] Did you notice the layering glitch with the cup and the hammer in your signature? lol

Last edited by nama (2012-10-07 14:14:50)

nama wrote:

I personally like pigeons but I don't feed them

Also if you live in the USA like myself pigeons are not "wildlife" since they are all introduced from europe and are a major invasive species

And please explain why the reasons on those sites "WERE STUPID!!!" They seemed like perfectly valid reasons to me.

why pigeons are a good thing:
1) well, as someone else said, you can get self repairing paint so pigeon poo isn't a problem with cars.
2)poo can be cleaned off pavements (and be used for composting!) it is only dry pigeon poop that gives you lung infections and in the open air it isn't a problem.
3)pigeons add life to a city, making in a nicer and more natural place.
4)feeding pigeons can help make depressed people better.
5)  yes, you can catch "A FEW" diseases from them but the risk of infection from pigeon to human is very low!.
6)i feed (and most other people) them bird seed from the pet-store which is designed for birds and therefore healthy. 
7)it is fun feeding pigeons! once i was feeding them and some teens came over to have a look. i offered them some food and this boy was holding the pigeon on his arm like it was his mighty hawk. he and his friends really enjoyed feeding them!.

videogame9 wrote:

9star wrote:

nama wrote:

I personally like pigeons but I don't feed them

Also if you live in the USA like myself pigeons are not "wildlife" since they are all introduced from europe and are a major invasive species

And please explain why the reasons on those sites "WERE STUPID!!!" They seemed like perfectly valid reasons to me.

why pigeons are a good thing:
1)poo can be cleaned off pavements (and be used for composting!) it is only dry pigeon poop that gives you lung infections and in the open air it isn't a problem.
2)pigeons add life to a city, making in a nicer and more natural place.
3)feeding pigeons can help make depressed people better.
4)  yes, you can catch "A FEW" diseases from them but the risk of infection from pigeon to human is very low!.
5)i feed (and most other people) them bird seed from the pet-store which is designed for birds and therefore healthy.

source?

no. 1 source:  poo can be cleaned off (thats obvious. it doesn't need a source) and poo can be composted (again, that is so obvious). and my dad told me about the pigeon lung. pigeon fanciers used to get it because they used to like, bring their pigeons in their house a lot.
no. 2 source:  what would a city be like with no animals? it would be horrible, right?
no. 3 source: life in general. in y town there was this weird guy who looked a bit depressed. he started feeding pigeons and each time i saw him doing it he looked a bit better.
no.4 source: what scientists have said (ive read in on a few websites)
no. 5 source: well; seed is better than bread.

nama wrote:

Also if you live in the USA like myself pigeons are not "wildlife" since they are all introduced from europe and are a major invasive species

You came from Europe too, you know.

777w wrote:

9star wrote:

videogame9 wrote:

source?

no. 1 source:  poo can be cleaned off (thats obvious. it doesn't need a source) and poo can be composted (again, that is so obvious). and my dad told me about the pigeon lung. pigeon fanciers used to get it because they used to like, bring their pigeons in their house a lot.
no. 2 source:  what would a city be like with no animals? it would be horrible, right?
no. 3 source: life in general. in y town there was this weird guy who looked a bit depressed. he started feeding pigeons and each time i saw him doing it he looked a bit better.
no.4 source: what scientists have said (ive read in on a few websites)
no. 5 source: well; seed is better than bread.

by source he means please provide links to support your claims just like luiysia did

oh sorry but some of them didn't come from websites and others i'v forgotten the sources but i hope what i put helps. (they are valid reasons and they list where i got the info from)

777w wrote:

9star wrote:

777w wrote:

by source he means please provide links to support your claims just like luiysia did

oh sorry but some of them didn't come from websites and others i'v forgotten the sources but i hope what i put helps. (they are valid reasons and they list where i got the info from)

without proper sources to back up your claims you cant be believed completely

well, i am telling the truth and i just hope some people believe me...  but i try to find "proper" sources so be patient.

werdna123 wrote:

nama wrote:

Also if you live in the USA like myself pigeons are not "wildlife" since they are all introduced from europe and are a major invasive species

You came from Europe too, you know.

Also I don't go blaming you guys for killing off the red squirrel and bringing a grey one round!!

9star wrote:

videogame9 wrote:

9star wrote:

why pigeons are a good thing:
1)poo can be cleaned off pavements (and be used for composting!) it is only dry pigeon poop that gives you lung infections and in the open air it isn't a problem.
2)pigeons add life to a city, making in a nicer and more natural place.
3)feeding pigeons can help make depressed people better.
4)  yes, you can catch "A FEW" diseases from them but the risk of infection from pigeon to human is very low!.
5)i feed (and most other people) them bird seed from the pet-store which is designed for birds and therefore healthy.

source?

no. 1 source:  poo can be cleaned off (thats obvious. it doesn't need a source) and poo can be composted (again, that is so obvious). and my dad told me about the pigeon lung. pigeon fanciers used to get it because they used to like, bring their pigeons in their house a lot.
no. 2 source:  what would a city be like with no animals? it would be horrible, right?
no. 3 source: life in general. in y town there was this weird guy who looked a bit depressed. he started feeding pigeons and each time i saw him doing it he looked a bit better.
no.4 source: what scientists have said (ive read in on a few websites)
no. 5 source: well; seed is better than bread.

Concerning cancer:

1.  Cancer can be survived.  That's obvious.
2.  How would doctor feel if they couldn't treat patients for cancer anymore?  It would be horrible, right?
3.  (not concerning cancer; couldn't think of a could thing to go with that) I was 'depressed in general' for a long time.  Music, programming, etc.  There are things besides feeding pigeons if you get up and look around.  If not, if you can stomach a scary story, read Jeff the Killer which you can find either at the link or on Page 5 of the old Creepypasta thread.  The justification for murder there matches up with the reasoning here.
4.  Yes "A FEW" people die from cancer each year, but aren't those numbers forgivable?
5.  My doctor (and most other doctors) treat cancer victims with medicine that is specifically designed for people with cancer, and is therefore healthy.  Also, if rich people with lots of food and the bubonic plague (black plague) came to my town for food, then the food they were buying would be made specially for eating, and therefore healthy, making the world a better place.

I don't think this is comparable to Hitler

jukyter wrote:

I don't think this is comparable to Hitler

Sorry, I was just trying to point out some the logical fallacies in the argument, and Hitler was the first person who came to my mind that everybody hates.  If you could come up with someone else, I would be very grateful.

Last edited by maxskywalker (2012-10-07 18:53:01)

luiysia wrote:

Actually I don't think that really compares at all. People don't hate people who feed pigeons, it's just bad in general.

i don't think it is bad. and i'm feeding them later today. (the place where i feed them is next to the town center on a small grassy area with a few trees and a church. it has no fences and there are loads of pigeons.)

So what you're saying is that intentionally spreading around bird poop (which does carry many, many diseases) will be good for towns? That's like saying littering in cities is OK - it'll open up more job spaces! Just because it kills plants (bird droppings are bad for plants because of the uric acid and pigeons are no exception) and makes the city disgusting (it's poop, you see) isn't a reason not to feed feral animals that are capable of getting their own food!