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luiysia wrote:

maxskywalker wrote:

9star wrote:

gorrillas have HUGE teeth. oh, and what are they for?, fighting!

I don't know if you've noticed, but human canines aren't in an ideal place or size for fighting.  Especially against predators.

OK, the canine teeth argument is probably one of the WORST arguments against vegetarian/veganism (for the record, I am neither of those and don't really support vegans at all).

Look inside your mouth. Look at your canine teeth. They look really small, right? And they're not very pointy at all. Nor do they stand out from your other teeth a whole lot - they're just a little bit pointed. Then, look at something that is undebatably an omnivore - like a bear or a raccoon. You'll notice that while people have those puny things, raccoons and bears basically have fangs.

Also, humans are pretty clearly not natural hunters. You can barely kill anything with your bare hands outside of using strangulation (and most mammals do this with their jaw, which, you may notice, in your case is very weak, with 120 pounds of force as opposed  to even a dog's, which is 320, also most mammals could probably just bite through your fingers). Nearly all predators that do have paws (well, hands) have very sharp claws and you may notice that your own nails are easily broken and not sharp at all. Humans move very slowly compared to hunters like bears (you may notice that pretty much all people need tools to hunt - even native tribes and such use spears or arrows or darts), and lack the strength to make up for it. It's pretty obvious that people were not made to hunt by their own hand.

Also, your own post basically refutes the point you made yourself. Isn't hunting a lot like fighting? If you can't even fight with your teeth, then why would you be able to hunt with them?

(by the way: gorillas don't fight with their teeth. they are mostly used for eating tough fruit and showing off, they didn't get bred out through evolution because the disadvantages offered by them are too slight to really reduce a gorilla's chance of survival/reproduction and they do help a bit)

yup.

9star wrote:

ImagineIt wrote:

Also, what makes it ok that other animals can eat meat while we can't? Yeah, they're built to eat meat only, but it's still killing other animals as you say. And why don't you kill weeds when you eat other plants? They're all plants.

i don't kill weeds becuase they're not edible. and me eating vegetables is okay because that is what humans are meant to eat. a tiger's not bad because it eats antelope, its MEANT to eat it.

you seem to have missed my post
we eat what we need to survive, and ancient men needed meat to survive
they ate meat, and it became natural to do so
the way our bodies are constructed doesnt matter, we may not be physically built to eat meat but behaviorally we do

Last edited by 777w (2013-02-12 07:19:48)

9star wrote:

ImagineIt wrote:

Also, what makes it ok that other animals can eat meat while we can't? Yeah, they're built to eat meat only, but it's still killing other animals as you say. And why don't you kill weeds when you eat other plants? They're all plants.

i don't kill weeds becuase they're not edible. and me eating vegetables is okay because that is what humans are meant to eat. a tiger's not bad because it eats antelope, its MEANT to eat it.

It's still killing though. Just because they're meant to eat it doesn't mean that it's not killing. Anyways, I'm not going to quit on meat, and you can't make me. You're not going to quit being vegan, and I can't make you.

ImagineIt wrote:

9star wrote:

ImagineIt wrote:

Also, what makes it ok that other animals can eat meat while we can't? Yeah, they're built to eat meat only, but it's still killing other animals as you say. And why don't you kill weeds when you eat other plants? They're all plants.

i don't kill weeds becuase they're not edible. and me eating vegetables is okay because that is what humans are meant to eat. a tiger's not bad because it eats antelope, its MEANT to eat it.

It's still killing though. Just because they're meant to eat it doesn't mean that it's not killing. Anyways, I'm not going to quit on meat, and you can't make me. You're not going to quit being vegan, and I can't make you.

it is still killing. but i already said, a lion is MEANT to eat antelope.

calebxy wrote:

777w wrote:

9star wrote:

i don't kill weeds becuase they're not edible. and me eating vegetables is okay because that is what humans are meant to eat. a tiger's not bad because it eats antelope, its MEANT to eat it.

you seem to have missed my post
we eat what we need to survive, and ancient men needed meat to survive
they ate meat, and it became natural to do so
the way our bodies are constructed doesnt matter, we may not be physically built to eat meat but behaviorally we do

[sarcasm]Yes, clearly people can't survive without eating meat.[/sarcasm]

777w wrote:

ancient men

also, no, i dont have sources to back up my claims, and im sorry, but i personally believe at least half the sources 9star cited were biased and you dont have to agree
im basing my ideas on what i think to be logical. if we werent built to eat meat then why on earth do do we do it if not because of the activities of people in prehistoric time?

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777w wrote:

calebxy wrote:

777w wrote:

you seem to have missed my post
we eat what we need to survive, and ancient men needed meat to survive
they ate meat, and it became natural to do so
the way our bodies are constructed doesnt matter, we may not be physically built to eat meat but behaviorally we do

[sarcasm]Yes, clearly people can't survive without eating meat.[/sarcasm]

777w wrote:

ancient men

also, no, i dont have sources to back up my claims, and im sorry, but i personally believe at least half the sources 9star cited were biased and you dont have to agree
im basing my ideas on what i think to be logical. if we werent built to eat meat then why on earth do do we do it if not because of the activities of people in prehistoric time?

I'm pretty sure PETA has been confirmed biased

zubblewu wrote:

777w wrote:

calebxy wrote:

[sarcasm]Yes, clearly people can't survive without eating meat.[/sarcasm]

777w wrote:

ancient men

also, no, i dont have sources to back up my claims, and im sorry, but i personally believe at least half the sources 9star cited were biased and you dont have to agree
im basing my ideas on what i think to be logical. if we werent built to eat meat then why on earth do do we do it if not because of the activities of people in prehistoric time?

I'm pretty sure PETA has been confirmed biased

Again, saying that means absolutely nothing unless you can actually prove that the facts it uses or conclusions it draws are somehow incorrect or illogical.

calebxy wrote:

zubblewu wrote:

777w wrote:

calebxy wrote:

[sarcasm]Yes, clearly people can't survive without eating meat.[/sarcasm]

also, no, i dont have sources to back up my claims, and im sorry, but i personally believe at least half the sources 9star cited were biased and you dont have to agree
im basing my ideas on what i think to be logical. if we werent built to eat meat then why on earth do do we do it if not because of the activities of people in prehistoric time?

I'm pretty sure PETA has been confirmed biased

Again, saying that means absolutely nothing unless you can actually prove that the facts it uses or conclusions it draws are somehow incorrect or illogical.

they made this

calebxy wrote:

777w wrote:

calebxy wrote:

Again, saying that means absolutely nothing unless you can actually prove that the facts it uses or conclusions it draws are somehow incorrect or illogical.

just because your facts are logical doesnt mean youre not biased

And just because you're biased doesn't mean you're wrong. Facts are facts, regardless of what someone would prefer them to say.

bias can influence your judgement though and keep you from listening to arguments presented by the other side fairly

Or we could just agree to disagree, if you would prefer.

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calebxy wrote:

777w wrote:

calebxy wrote:

And just because you're biased doesn't mean you're wrong. Facts are facts, regardless of what someone would prefer them to say.

bias can influence your judgement though and keep you from listening to arguments presented by the other side fairly

Could do, yes, but it doesn't mean that it does. Did you even read all those sources 9star linked to? The fourth one, particularly. It addresses the counterarguments, and regardless of whether you think he's biased, he does so in a very satisfactory way. How about you personally read it and point out where you think it's wrong.

i dont think its wrong, i think its irrelevant to what im saying
we are behaviorally adapted to eat meat, and the fourth article even says why;

early humans, like modern humans, could have simply acted outside of instinct, and made interesting dietary choices contrary to their anatomy

that doesnt mean its right, that doesnt mean its the best, that means we do it and its perfectly natural

9star wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

9star wrote:

i'm 10 but eleven in march.

Wait a few years and you might laugh at what you're saying on this topic.

Anyway, homeopathy has been proven a hoax repeatedly.

are you saying that when i'm older i'll be a Pigeon-hating-anti-homeopathy-meat-eater? [sarcasm]fat chance![/sarcasm]
i've been feeding pigeons AND been vegatairian since i was six,
and i went vegan when i was 8, i'm staying that way.  you can't say what i'll be like when i'm older.

"anti-homeopathy" and "meat-eater" are adjectives with positive connotations to your opposition so the emotional appeal there isn't really working.

And we don't hate pigeons. If anything, we like them more than you because we want to make sure you don't hurt them by feeding them.

soupoftomato wrote:

9star wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

Wait a few years and you might laugh at what you're saying on this topic.

Anyway, homeopathy has been proven a hoax repeatedly.

are you saying that when i'm older i'll be a Pigeon-hating-anti-homeopathy-meat-eater? [sarcasm]fat chance![/sarcasm]
i've been feeding pigeons AND been vegatairian since i was six,
and i went vegan when i was 8, i'm staying that way.  you can't say what i'll be like when i'm older.

"anti-homeopathy" and "meat-eater" are adjectives with positive connotations to your opposition so the emotional appeal there isn't really working.

it used to say "pigeon hating anti homeopathy meat eating idiot"