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soupoftomato wrote:

jvvg wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

Yeah, it's so messed up that LGBT doesn't have the same rights. 

That issue doesn't affect me at all (I don't like either boys or girls, some people think I don't even have a gender myself  ), but I still think they should be treated equally.

It's very possible you're just too young, unless I've underestimated your age. But that is an actual sexual preference called asexuality.

I'm about 14 years old.
Anyway, that was the word I was looking for.

veggieman001 wrote:

Firedrake969 wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

It's very possible you're just too young, unless I've underestimated your age. But that is an actual sexual preference called asexuality.

Waiii.... what?

what don't you understand?
asexuality is the lack of sexual attraction to anyone

Just because a word has sexual in it doesn't make it inappropriate.

funelephant wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

Firedrake969 wrote:

Waiii.... what?

what don't you understand?
asexuality is the lack of sexual attraction to anyone

Just because a word has sexual in it doesn't make it inappropriate.

uh, yeah
who said it did though?

cartooncreator wrote:

CN12 wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

just because you're a kid doesn't mean you're not a person (no matter what some establishments may have you believe)
i believe people should care about politics because it decides how the world is going and you still can make a difference by spreading your opinion

and i'm fairly certain that you can care about both my little pony and politics (and i'm not entirely sure how that's relevant)



why? what's your reasoning?

"If you've got a business, you didn't build that, somebody else....made that happen." Remember that?

YES, I TOTALLY remember that!!! Romney all the way. 

I have no problem with that quote! It's been proven to be out of context, the in-context meaning was to say that we shouldn't forget about the middle-class working to help you, teachers working to guide you, etc. I'm more inclined to remember the following though:

This pictures compares Romney to a caricatured satirical personality of the Romney-like businessmen and the quotes are near indistinguishable.

Romney wrote:

Borrow money, if you have, to from your parents . . .

Implying everyone's parents are wealthy, because no one's ever like, faced hard times or anything.

Romney wrote:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

This implies that EVERYONE living on government money does absolutely nothing. That includes military soldiers and workers, the elderly, people who are job-hunting, but simply not being accepted because of the economy, and more. He is saying he doesn't care about ANY of the. He will serve only 53% of us. That's only slightly over half of the people in America. That's 157 million+ people he is ignoring.

Last edited by soupoftomato (2012-09-30 21:13:50)

Mokat wrote:

I have a feeling this is gonna get closed 

Paddle2See has said we must have bases and reasoning for what we say, and not hurl insults. I have not said anything offensive (other than simply disagreeing with people/being sarcastic in a joking conversation no one involved took seriously) and have reasoned/cited/provided quotes in all my debates. Everyone else has been equally as civil so far.

I will concede that Obama may not be the greatest president the United States has ever had. However when you look at the Republican candidates, there is just no contest.

Unfortunately American politics are too polarizing. We operate on a system of either you support this, or you support that, and there is no in between. Our politicians also happen to operate on a party-lines basis, where all the Republicans vote one way, and all the Democrats vote the other way. To make matters worse, third-party candidates truly have no chance, and if anything draw votes away from the R/D candidates.

Still, Obama's presidency has been overshadowed by bad conditions that began before his term and a congress with this goal:

Mitch McConnell wrote:

The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

Not to reduce the deficit. Not to help the American people. Not to produce jobs. To remove the president from office. Their priorities are not in line with what they should be as representatives of the United States of America.

Here's a breakdown of my opinions on some of the major issues:

"Entitlements"
I hate this term. I hate the meaning it has been given by Republicans. They frame it as though those unemployed aren't looking for work - or that even if they get a job at minimum wage they are parasites to society. Every American should be able to have health insurance. Every American should be able to get food. Often these people do tons of work - they do not deserve to die on the street because they can't find a well enough paying job.

Abortion/Birth control
It is not the government's job to ban access to abortion or birth control, enforcing their own religious beliefs upon others, that is a violation of the first amendment of the US Constitution.

Taxes
This is just common sense. Let's say you make 10 million dollars per year, and pay 14% income tax rate (What Mitt Romney paid, he makes more than 10 million). That would be $8,600,000 per year after taxes are taken out. That is still over 100 times the median household income of Americans, and far more than is needed to live. If we make that a 30% tax rate, (these are just random numbers to prove a point. I don't think taxes on the rich should be raised by this much) that same person still makes $7,000,000 each year. That is a ton of money, and the added money from taxes could be used to lower the debt and improve the lives of more Americans.

Wars
Get out. These wars are a mess, serve no purpose, are a waste of money, and Americans are dying. No, thanks.

Last but not least, Super PACs
Unlimited campaign donations are equivalent to the person who shouts loudest being right all the time. Rich people and corporations spending millions on smear campaigns just isn't attractive to me.

cartooncreator wrote:

CN12 wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

just because you're a kid doesn't mean you're not a person (no matter what some establishments may have you believe)
i believe people should care about politics because it decides how the world is going and you still can make a difference by spreading your opinion

and i'm fairly certain that you can care about both my little pony and politics (and i'm not entirely sure how that's relevant)



why? what's your reasoning?

"If you've got a business, you didn't build that, somebody else....made that happen." Remember that?

YES, I TOTALLY remember that!!! Romney all the way. 

Before you are going to use a quote like that, find the context, because "that" is not referring to the business.

Barrack Obama wrote:

Look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own.

Unless you are a high-profile construction company, you did not build the roads or the bridges. You don't provide yourselves with police services and protection from fire. If you can tell me how saying that government created the infrastructure that businesses need to thrive is something that can be used against Obama, please let me know.

Last edited by 16Skittles (2012-09-30 21:45:31)

Sorry, illusionist, but how exactly does spending money that already exists cause inflation?

Edit: I do acknowledge that the government printing money it can't back up causes inflation, but am still skeptical that we're going to see the next Nazi movement come to power in the US anytime soon.

Last edited by 16Skittles (2012-09-30 22:00:09)

veggieman001 wrote:

thebriculator wrote:

@veggieman

Economic Left/Right: -0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.51

(in the upper-left quadrant, close to the center)

interesting... none of the candidates are there 
who do you support in the election?

um, I guess mildly left-Authoritarian, apparently?

Last edited by thebriculator (2012-09-30 22:05:59)

veggieman001 wrote:

i'm pretty sure we won't see the next nazi-like movement either, but i do agree the dollar collapse is a serious issue

and they're not spending money that already exists always. they're making more

illusionist wrote:

Eventually people panic, and spend tons of money they have been saving at once, because it is being devalued over time. The sudden entrance of all that money into circulation causes a phenomenon called HYPERINFLATION

16Skittles wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

i'm pretty sure we won't see the next nazi-like movement either, but i do agree the dollar collapse is a serious issue

and they're not spending money that already exists always. they're making more

illusionist wrote:

Eventually people panic, and spend tons of money they have been saving at once, because it is being devalued over time. The sudden entrance of all that money into circulation causes a phenomenon called HYPERINFLATION

i don't agree with that part
it's the government's printing of money that causes hyperinflation

soupoftomato wrote:

http://www.isidewith.com/results/136099784

lol i side with you 95%

Last edited by veggieman001 (2012-09-30 22:13:59)

soupoftomato wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

i'm pretty sure we won't see the next nazi-like movement either, but i do agree the dollar collapse is a serious issue

and they're not spending money that already exists always. they're making more

i don't agree with that part
it's the government's printing of money that causes hyperinflation

soupoftomato wrote:

http://www.isidewith.com/results/136099784

lol i side with you 95%

I side with you 82%  . . .

something is flawed here!