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#1076 2012-10-22 17:28:31

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

There's the third (and final) presidential debate tonight.  smile


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#1077 2012-10-22 18:02:14

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

Mokat wrote:

There's the third (and final) presidential debate tonight.  smile

I'll probably watch part of it.


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#1078 2012-10-22 19:16:47

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

jvvg wrote:

CN12 wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:


This is not meant to be rude towards you, but: The points that you choose to express aren't valid; so we want to make sure people know that and make the right choice (Obama).

Well my choice is the right choice for me. I'm not changing, so don't even try to make me change my mind.

So even if we're proven most of his points wrong (which we have) and you have made little case for him, you're still choosing him? Maybe that's what caused all of the mess in America.

What points have you proven wrong? That lowering the capital gains tax so that rich people will invest (and probably a lot) in companies, meaning companies do well and the middle class will be able to be paid more and will invest in companies which will let the lower working class get more money and soon invest in the new companies created which unemployed people will work for which will also eventually do well is wrong?

Really? Do you people need an 7th grade economics lesson?

See, when people invest in companies, those companies and investors will do well. Also, there will always be rich and poor people, this one of the thousands of reasons socialism, which is the idea that tax money from the rich should go to the poor, is wrong.

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#1079 2012-10-22 19:20:58

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

Claude_Monet wrote:

jvvg wrote:

CN12 wrote:


Well my choice is the right choice for me. I'm not changing, so don't even try to make me change my mind.

So even if we're proven most of his points wrong (which we have) and you have made little case for him, you're still choosing him? Maybe that's what caused all of the mess in America.

What points have you proven wrong? That lowering the capital gains tax so that rich people will invest (and probably a lot) in companies, meaning companies do well and the middle class will be able to be paid more and will invest in companies which will let the lower working class get more money and soon invest in the new companies created which unemployed people will work for which will also eventually do well is wrong?

Really? Do you people need an 7th grade economics lesson?

See, when people invest in companies, those companies and investors will do well. Also, there will always be rich and poor people, this one of the thousands of reasons socialism, which is the idea that tax money from the rich should go to the poor, is wrong.

The capital gains tax is already low enough as it is. Currently, because of it, most rich people pay lower taxes than less rich people, because the middle class makes most money off income, while the upper class is mostly capital gains. Maybe you need a first grade economics lesson.


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#1080 2012-10-22 19:32:08

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

How can you possibly be serious. We DO NOT need to lower the Capital Gains Tax. We're talking about people with millions, even billions of dollars. They don't invest it into companies, they put it in bank accounts in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland so they don't have to pay taxes on them!

Claude_Monet wrote:

Also, there will always be rich and poor people, this one of the thousands of reasons socialism, which is the idea that tax money from the rich should go to the poor, is wrong.

How does that prove Socialism to be wrong? All I see in that statement is saying that poor people should be left to die, is that what you're saying? Because that's what would happen without food stamps and Medicaid. It is unjustifiable to have the richest people sit on billions of dollars while the poor are struggling for survival.


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#1081 2012-10-22 19:40:16

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

backspace_ wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

777w wrote:

why is it that the only candidates you see on tv are mitt romney and barrack obama while the other like 5 people never show up

Ralph Nader, that's why. In the 2000 election it is believed that the democrats would have won (even though they did win  mad ) if Nader, the Green Party candidate, had not taken away votes from him. Since then, both parties have tried to keep third party candidates out of the spotlight, like by limiting their access to debates and such.

but uhm, thats basically removing any possible chance of one becoming president.

Did you watch that video veggie linked a while back?

Say we have the Democratic party and then the Green Party, used-to-be democratic voters switch to the Green party because it's surprisingly found donations and funding. The Republicans have given this donation because they realize it will take votes away from Democrats, which are in closest agreeance with Green views.

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#1082 2012-10-22 20:02:24

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

CN12 wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

CN12 wrote:


Why is everyone questioning me? Just because I prefer Romney?

I am not sure.

This is not meant to be rude towards you, but: The points that you choose to express aren't valid; so we want to make sure people know that and make the right choice (Obama).

Well my choice is the right choice for me. I'm not changing, so don't even try to make me change my mind.

So even if it's absolutely, no question proven that Mitt Romney will do nothing but make things worse (not saying he is obviously) and plunge the country into infinite debt, start random wars, cause another great depression, and actively waste resources, you would still vote for him?

Stubbornness isn't always good, is my point.


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#1083 2012-10-22 20:55:09

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

soupoftomato wrote:

backspace_ wrote:

16Skittles wrote:


Ralph Nader, that's why. In the 2000 election it is believed that the democrats would have won (even though they did win  mad ) if Nader, the Green Party candidate, had not taken away votes from him. Since then, both parties have tried to keep third party candidates out of the spotlight, like by limiting their access to debates and such.

but uhm, thats basically removing any possible chance of one becoming president.

Did you watch that video veggie linked a while back?

Say we have the Democratic party and then the Green Party, used-to-be democratic voters switch to the Green party because it's surprisingly found donations and funding. The Republicans have given this donation because they realize it will take votes away from Democrats, which are in closest agreeance with Green views.

I see, but uhm then you either lose the third parties which won't even have a chance, or you have the third party muscle their way to a win and turn the funding of the enemy party against them.


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#1084 2012-10-22 21:00:35

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one recurring and amusing theme I note is that when most people (Democrats mostly but I see some Republicans do it too so I'll be fair) have no point to back up or nothing else to bring to the table, or they cannot counter someone's argument, they bring up recurring facts that they and other people have stated several times, and they basically muscle the fact and bash anyone with a different opinion, and claim any other facts as false until the person is just overcome with the other side's rude and obnoxious attitude.

(I've seen some people do it on here. Several times.)


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#1085 2012-10-22 21:08:35

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I support any decision, however, Romney cuts taxes for people like himself, with money, and he also says, if you can afford health care then great, if not, too bad. Also he does not support gay marriage.


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#1086 2012-10-22 21:32:10

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

AwesomeStar360 wrote:

I support any decision, however, Romney cuts taxes for people like himself, with money, and he also says, if you can afford health care then great, if not, too bad. Also he does not support gay marriage.

I agree with Obama and Romney for different reasons.
Also, so far, the presidential debates seem much calmer than the last ones. On the last ones they were walking around in circles like they were gonna pounce each other xD


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#1087 2012-10-22 21:36:16

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

Mokat wrote:

AwesomeStar360 wrote:

I support any decision, however, Romney cuts taxes for people like himself, with money, and he also says, if you can afford health care then great, if not, too bad. Also he does not support gay marriage.

I agree with Obama and Romney for different reasons.
Also, so far, the presidential debates seem much calmer than the last ones. On the last ones they were walking around in circles like they were gonna pounce each other xD

When watching this one (I stopped after about 30 minutes), I was the one walking in circles. I was watching it on TV, and while watching it was walking around the room. When watching stuff like that, I am never able to sit down.

Also, another thought.
This doesn't seem to be a "Vote for -----" election. It seems to be a more "Don't vote for -----" election. It seems that most Democrats I know are more not Romney than for Obama, and vice versa for the Republicans I know.


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#1088 2012-10-22 22:01:58

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I hate the format of these debates. It's so intent on being "fair" and moving on that in a foreign policy issue Romney can rant about the economy and then Obama doesn't get to respond.

Lol. "We may have less ships than before, but we also have fewer horses and bayonets." -- President Obama in the debate.

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#1089 2012-10-22 22:16:11

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The moderator should do more about the rudeness  hmm
Also, in the last debates, the moderator was clearly for Obama.


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#1090 2012-10-22 22:18:07

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

These remarks about "economics lessons" and accusations that "maybe that's what caused all of the mess in America" aren't conductive to this thread and can only cause problems.  If you have a point, find a way to state it without belittling the person you're arguing with.  Such belittlement doesn't make you seem confident, it makes you seem flustered and rude.


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#1091 2012-10-22 22:18:16

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

Mokat wrote:

The moderator should do more about the rudeness  hmm
Also, in the last debates, the moderator was clearly for Obama.

He was for Romney in the first and SHE was unbiased in the second one...


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#1092 2012-10-22 22:24:57

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In this debate the moderator seemed a lot more experienced  hmm


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#1093 2012-10-22 22:29:07

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

MoreGamesNow wrote:

These remarks about "economics lessons" and accusations that "maybe that's what caused all of the mess in America" aren't conductive to this thread and can only cause problems.  If you have a point, find a way to state it without belittling the person you're arguing with.  Such belittlement doesn't make you seem confident, it makes you seem flustered and rude.

^True dat!^

On that note... Does anyone have a source that makes Gov. Romney's fiscal plan possible? I'd love to have a sourced debate over this, which I feel is the most important issue of this election.


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#1094 2012-10-22 22:29:18

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"America has not dictated other nations" said no one ever... Oh wait, Romney said that?

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#1095 2012-10-22 22:30:29

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"I love teachers"

BAHAHAHAHA

I noticed Romney says Washyton.

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#1096 2012-10-22 22:34:05

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

OverPowered wrote:

MoreGamesNow wrote:

These remarks about "economics lessons" and accusations that "maybe that's what caused all of the mess in America" aren't conductive to this thread and can only cause problems.  If you have a point, find a way to state it without belittling the person you're arguing with.  Such belittlement doesn't make you seem confident, it makes you seem flustered and rude.

^True dat!^

On that note... Does anyone have a source that makes Gov. Romney's fiscal plan possible? I'd love to have a sourced debate over this, which I feel is the most important issue of this election.

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#1097 2012-10-22 22:36:33

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

Australia's Presidential Debate Gambling Odds  tongue

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#1098 2012-10-22 22:40:13

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

16Skittles wrote:

OverPowered wrote:

MoreGamesNow wrote:

These remarks about "economics lessons" and accusations that "maybe that's what caused all of the mess in America" aren't conductive to this thread and can only cause problems.  If you have a point, find a way to state it without belittling the person you're arguing with.  Such belittlement doesn't make you seem confident, it makes you seem flustered and rude.

^True dat!^

On that note... Does anyone have a source that makes Gov. Romney's fiscal plan possible? I'd love to have a sourced debate over this, which I feel is the most important issue of this election.

romneytaxplan.com

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#1099 2012-10-22 23:02:34

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

16Skittles wrote:

OverPowered wrote:

MoreGamesNow wrote:

These remarks about "economics lessons" and accusations that "maybe that's what caused all of the mess in America" aren't conductive to this thread and can only cause problems.  If you have a point, find a way to state it without belittling the person you're arguing with.  Such belittlement doesn't make you seem confident, it makes you seem flustered and rude.

^True dat!^

On that note... Does anyone have a source that makes Gov. Romney's fiscal plan possible? I'd love to have a sourced debate over this, which I feel is the most important issue of this election.

romneytaxplan.com

I... Just... Want... The... Details! ;O

Ehrmagerd, by "source," I mean credible, unbiased source. Something paid for by the DNC & Mr. Obama isn't exactly unbiased. :3


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#1100 2012-10-22 23:24:07

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

Hey, think of it this way

Vote for Mr. Romney and if he fails horribly as some 97% of this community seems to think, you can point and laugh, but if he succeeds, everyone will be happy  big_smile

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