Scratch

thebriculator wrote:

lol^^

Lolol^^

Wes64 wrote:

OverPowered wrote:

And if they have no projects, comments, or forums posts, how would it matter to them if their account was deleted?

if someone has no job, no friends, and no social interaction, should we kill them?

no.

so if a scratcher has no projects, no comments, and no forum posts, does that make them worthless?

no.

so should we remove their stuff?

no.

Wow.
Somehow you took my data-saving thought and turned it into killing people. >_>
You also didn't see my original reply.
I said that only accounts with been inactive for multple months (>31days), with no comments, no projects, and no forum posts should be removed. This would allow those usernames to be reused and free up some of Scratch's unused server space. I really don't see how making Scratch run a little faster is the moral equivalent of the murder of people. 

Wes64 wrote:

OverPowered wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

if someone has no job, no friends, and no social interaction, should we kill them?

no.

so if a scratcher has no projects, no comments, and no forum posts, does that make them worthless?

no.

so should we remove their stuff?

no.

Wow.
Somehow you took my data-saving thought and turned it into killing people. >_>
You also didn't see my original reply.
I said that only accounts with been inactive for multple months (>31days), with no comments, no projects, and no forum posts should be removed. This would allow those usernames to be reused and free up some of Scratch's unused server space. I really don't see how making Scratch run a little faster is the moral equivalent of the murder of people. 

that was a simile to connect internet to real life.

my point still stands. we should not delete people's data without their permission

+1

Mokat wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

OverPowered wrote:

Wow.
Somehow you took my data-saving thought and turned it into killing people. >_>
You also didn't see my original reply.
I said that only accounts with been inactive for multple months (>31days), with no comments, no projects, and no forum posts should be removed. This would allow those usernames to be reused and free up some of Scratch's unused server space. I really don't see how making Scratch run a little faster is the moral equivalent of the murder of people. 

that was a simile to connect internet to real life.

my point still stands. we should not delete people's data without their permission

+1

Instead of asking on scratch, could we send an email to the one they registered with (after 3 months of inactivity), asking if they want to delete it (also only if they have no projects, comments, etc).

Molybdenum wrote:

Mokat wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

that was a simile to connect internet to real life.

my point still stands. we should not delete people's data without their permission

+1

Instead of asking on scratch, could we send an email to the one they registered with (after 3 months of inactivity), asking if they want to delete it (also only if they have no projects, comments, etc).

Yes, it was a simile.
No, it was not relevant.
Instead, offer an argument for why Scratchers should use server space just to maintain accounts which serve no purpose and have seemingly been abandoned by their owner.

The problem with asking people if they want their account removed is that they could simply not respond and the account would be kept anyways. All the person needs to do to stop their account being closed is visit Scratch even once within 31 days, or have ever posted a comment or project or forum post.

Firedrake969 wrote:

This won't happen.

Fixed.

Wes64 wrote:

OverPowered wrote:

Yes, it was a simile.
No, it was not relevant.
Instead, offer an argument for why Scratchers should use server space just to maintain accounts which serve no purpose and have seemingly been abandoned by their owner.

it was entirely relevant to the conversation because it reflects the strength of which I oppose this idea

now please stop arguing about how my opinion is "irrelevant" and a poor argument, and actually discuss the topic at hand. Im not here to fight about dumb things.. im not angry at you, and im not mounting a personal attack. I am simply discussing. So, let us discuss.

I think that this shouldn't and won't happen.  I won't type any more because anything I say can be used against me and I have a massive headache.

Exactly how much space do you think these "unused accounts" use? Id say profile images are 1kb each, and other data would be another kb. Let's throw in a further 2kb just cause. So that's 4kb for each inactive user.

A well-sized scratch project is let's say 5mb. That's 5000 something kb. That means we can fir 1250 unused accounts in the space used by 1 project.

That's pretty insignificant. There might be say 700 000 unused accounts, but that's just 2 800 000 kb. That's 2.6 gb. That's not a lot of space. 140 projects take the same amount of space, and there's 2 700 000 projects.

Based on my probably incorrect math, i d say the amount of space wed save from deleting all these accounts is insignificant

There's also too much room for error. If you haven't noticed you can't use the flash player signed out, and there are probably other things you can't do as well. You never know who might be using something and what for

Also redistributing old usernames seems a bit confusing, don't ya think?

Here's why I don't support. I myself have a seemingly unused account; I give it to my friends IRL so the flash-only projects will work. That's the only point of it, so It would probably get deleted. That's not good.

What happened while I was away OO
Sorry Guys, but the only thing I actually wanted to say was:

Accounts, that are no longer used, don't have any projects worth keeping (I'm sorry but seriously, some projects really are unimportant. Doesnt mean this person is umimportant  too and we should kill him, though) or no projects and comments should be deleted.

Not just to save space!
It also makes old usernames available again.
(And its just kinda tidier)

I did NEVER say we should just delete the history of Scratch and its great Programmers. HELL NO!

It's just my opinion that we should remove some (I'm so sorry again) unimportant accounts. The statistics would be right then, too. We have 2 750 000. But think about it, how many of them are real PROJECTS and not justs tests and stuff (I am so so sorry) we just dont need. I don't refer to great game-makers and their awesome projects.
And I do know that little ones and inexperienced first have to learn, thats why they upload stuff that could never be compared with advanced Scratchers and their projects. Thats totally Ok! This is what Scratch was made for!

But if they were inactive for ages, probably never coming back why not delete them?

Yeah ofc, there could be people, that want to come back, but didn't notice the Buttomstuff or Notification or whatever. On the other hand, a Month is a whole lot of time, isn't it? Enough to consider creating a new account. And certainly all true Scratchers, meaning people who are here, activ, upload projects (now matter what they look like) WILL notice it. And ofc decide to stay 

Ofc, if they have  bad luck, they don't notice... Well: Then they simply create a new account and announce it. Contact their friends. Re-upload their stuff. Maybe get the Username they always wanted? (Remember that a lot more are avaible then  )

And one last thing. Scratchers who are gone but had great projects with many loves and comments and so on can stay of course. They ARE our history. I really did not think about them. All I thought about were these acc's I described before.

Thanks for listening.

And please don't hate me for having this opinion, yeah? (and sorry, if my english is bad ^^')

Last edited by xJira (2012-09-03 15:22:03)

Hm... I just read over every post on this thread, and I can't say it wasn't entertaining. 

I agree with Wes64, but I get how this idea could be useful if it just didn't have as much holes as it does now.

Include this: If the user has not downloaded a project in the last year. Fullstop.