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#1 2012-07-16 18:39:38
Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
Add the following items to the 
block:
* cot (Cotangent)
* sec (Secant)
* csc (Cosecant)
* acot (Arccotangent)
* asec (Arcsecant)
* acsc (Arccosecant)
* sinh, cosh, and tanh (Hyperbolic sine, cosine, and tangent)
* coth, sech, and csch (Hyperbolic cotangent, secant, and cosecant)
* asinh, acosh, atanh, acoth, asech, acsch (Hyperbolic arcsine, arccosine, arctangent, arccotangent, arcsecant, and arccosecant)
Does anyone agree?
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#3 2012-07-16 19:01:05
Re: Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
You can already do half of those.
cot = 1/tan
csc = 1/sin
and so forth. Just use the reciprocal functions.
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#4 2012-07-16 19:07:29
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Re: Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
+0.5. As Wes64 said, a lot of these can be replicated by writing
set [cot(x) v] to ((1) / ([tan v] of (x))).
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#6 2012-07-16 19:23:59
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Re: Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
Yeah, I thought about that, but some of the workarounds seem fairly simple. However, the last 12 seem pretty useful. 
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#7 2012-07-16 19:35:09
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Re: Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
Weren't the hyperbolic sin/cos/tan just e^ something? You could do it with that, although for optimization, this would be good. But wouldn't the dropdown thing get too crowded?
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#8 2012-07-16 19:43:28
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Re: Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
Well, true...
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#9 2012-07-17 06:19:58
Re: Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
Not even my graphing calculator has all these in it... I think the workarounds for each of these are simple enough for hardcore math people to not need a crowded dropdown of mathematical functions.
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#11 2012-07-17 14:20:42
Re: Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
LS97 wrote:
Not even my graphing calculator has all these in it... I think the workarounds for each of these are simple enough for hardcore math people to not need a crowded dropdown of mathematical functions.
Exactly. Since the ST has also been hesitant to add additional keys to the <key pressed> block due to the size of the menu, I don't think they will jump to add more to the math function block either.
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#12 2012-07-17 14:22:50
Re: Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
Wes64 wrote:
LS97 wrote:
Not even my graphing calculator has all these in it... I think the workarounds for each of these are simple enough for hardcore math people to not need a crowded dropdown of mathematical functions.
Exactly. Since the ST has also been hesitant to add additional keys to the <key pressed> block due to the size of the menu, I don't think they will jump to add more to the math function block either.
It wasn't due to the size of the menu, it was because of keyboard globalization.
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#13 2012-07-17 14:42:26
Re: Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
Lightnin wrote:
We’re open to adding some more keys, but not a ton. Here are the constraints:
-We need to keep the key menu from being too long
-Some keys are not universally available across keyboards — and we want everyone to be able run projects
-Using a lot of keys could make it harder to support tablets in the future
-Could be confusion around some keys such as return (which used to mean “green flag”)
If someone could make a list in the forums, and prioritize keys based on consensus, that would be awesome. We’ll refer to it when deciding which ones to add. Thanks for suggesting!
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#14 2012-07-18 18:07:33
Re: Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
Maybe keep the trig/hyperbolic trig functions in a (trig [ v] of ()), where the defaults are "sin" and "10", respectively.
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#15 2012-07-18 18:08:47
Re: Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
Molybdenum wrote:
Weren't the hyperbolic sin/cos/tan just e^ something? You could do it with that, although for optimization, this would be good. But wouldn't the dropdown thing get too crowded?
In radians... Wait, will Scratch 2.0 use degrees or radians?
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#16 2012-07-18 18:25:44
Re: Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
3sal2 wrote:
Molybdenum wrote:
Weren't the hyperbolic sin/cos/tan just e^ something? You could do it with that, although for optimization, this would be good. But wouldn't the dropdown thing get too crowded?
In radians... Wait, will Scratch 2.0 use degrees or radians?
I assume degrees, as those are understood by a larger age range.
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#17 2012-07-19 05:48:29
Re: Cot, sec, csc, acot, asec, acsc, sinh, cosh, tanh, etc.
3sal2 wrote:
Molybdenum wrote:
Weren't the hyperbolic sin/cos/tan just e^ something? You could do it with that, although for optimization, this would be good. But wouldn't the dropdown thing get too crowded?
In radians... Wait, will Scratch 2.0 use degrees or radians?
I assume that since 2.0 will have to also read older projects, it must be in degrees. However trigonometric functions are -- I believe -- calculated using radians. Or maybe converted back into degrees? I forgot... it's been way too long since I've used them!
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