Scratch

stevetheipad wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

Flash is simply not meant to be used on a mobile device, Apple gave Adobe a chance and Adobe refused to make a version enhanced for mobile devices. Designers had clunky PCs in mind when building Flash and guess what? iDevices are not clunky PCs.

The iPad was build specifically to run in it's environment with it's stuff, and specifically not just build for a portable laptop that they could throw old stuff in there, or they would have a Mac OSX Mountain Lion tablet that was made for a laptop but thrown on an iPad. Flash is not mobile device-friendly, it's clunky PC-friendly. So to say "Apple just can't figure out how to get it working well on the iPad" is both irrelevant and just an excuse.  .

Shouldn't it be the consumer's choice what they get to run? When I buy a product, I feel like I should get the right to put whatever software on it I want.

No, "...consumers don't know what they want, we have to decide that for them..." -Steve Jobs.

i would send a complaint to steve jobs for that if he werent dead

soupoftomato wrote:

777w wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

No, "...consumers don't know what they want, we have to decide that for them..." -Steve Jobs.

i would send a complaint to steve jobs for that if he werent dead

He was well known for being a jerk.
It wouldn't help.

If he hadn't been a jerk Apple would not be the same at all. 

@777w, I think he was right, consumers don't really know what they're ready for, what they aren't and what will suit them best.

stevetheipad wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

777w wrote:

i would send a complaint to steve jobs for that if he werent dead

He was well known for being a jerk.
It wouldn't help.

@777w, I think he was right, consumers don't really know what they're ready for, what they aren't and what will suit them best.

I do.

I know what I am ready for, what I don't want, and what I do.

This is why I like my Android phone. It's open source, and a LOT of the Play Store is free, and there are many free alternatives to things Apple makes you pay for.

stevetheipad wrote:

777w wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

If he hadn't been a jerk Apple would not be the same at all. 

@777w, I think he was right, consumers don't really know what they're ready for, what they aren't and what will suit them best.

i dont think so
maybe the general public doesnt know whats good for them and whats not, but when i as an individual want something i know i want it
besides, if the consumer didnt really know what they wanted, wouldnt suggestions on what to do next or what to add just be useless and unimportant?

But it's not all about you, or they would do it like that. 

Suggestions can be occasionally useful and used, but looking at it from a broad scope, Steve's point remains.

not really
heck why am i even arguing about this i dont use apple stuff anyway

777w wrote:

SpriteMaster wrote:

777w wrote:

you dont spend much time on the forums do you

Haven't been on recently too much but I've been here for quite a while :l

Just never thought THIS of all things would be discussed much XD Should have known.

you see people are very vigorous in their discussions here, and by not knowing you seem as if you dont spend too much time on the scratch forums

I know that
it was just that they are so "vigorous" on THIS specific topic, tis all

soupoftomato wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

777w wrote:

i dont think so
maybe the general public doesnt know whats good for them and whats not, but when i as an individual want something i know i want it
besides, if the consumer didnt really know what they wanted, wouldnt suggestions on what to do next or what to add just be useless and unimportant?

But it's not all about you, or they would do it like that. 

Suggestions can be occasionally useful and used, but looking at it from a broad scope, Steve's point remains.

Hm, no.
I want my product to do what I want. Naturally, I'm willing to pay something in order to have the machine to run and do certain things, but I don't want to be told what to do with it and what I can't and what's restricted.

If you weren't such a fanboy, this argument may be easier.

If Microsoft or any of it's hardware manufacturers said that, people would complain so much, only Apple has the kind of power over their consumers to get away with a quote like that.

stevetheipad wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

Flash is simply not meant to be used on a mobile device, Apple gave Adobe a chance and Adobe refused to make a version enhanced for mobile devices. Designers had clunky PCs in mind when building Flash and guess what? iDevices are not clunky PCs.

The iPad was build specifically to run in it's environment with it's stuff, and specifically not just build for a portable laptop that they could throw old stuff in there, or they would have a Mac OSX Mountain Lion tablet that was made for a laptop but thrown on an iPad. Flash is not mobile device-friendly, it's clunky PC-friendly. So to say "Apple just can't figure out how to get it working well on the iPad" is both irrelevant and just an excuse.  .

Shouldn't it be the consumer's choice what they get to run? When I buy a product, I feel like I should get the right to put whatever software on it I want.

No, "...consumers don't know what they want, we have to decide that for them..." -Steve Jobs.

Wait... are you quoting that as a good thing?

ilackoriginality wrote:

i drew this lil thing with a tablet:

http://i.imgur.com/EGoM5.png

He means the other kind of tablet.

Last edited by veggieman001 (2012-07-03 23:18:56)

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

Let's get back on topic. We're talking about tablets, not Steve Jobs, or Android vs iOS.

All of those are fair game here. Android vs iOS is directly related to tablet vs tablet.

I would disagree, since a tablet is hardware whereas the OS is software. Also, it's kind of becoming a flame war...

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

All of those are fair game here. Android vs iOS is directly related to tablet vs tablet.

I would disagree, since a tablet is hardware whereas the OS is software. Also, it's kind of becoming a flame war...

Still it is all relevant. The iPad would not be the iPad if it ran DOS. The user has to interface both hardware and software.

Also, the comments about Steve Jobs aren't very nice. It's not good manners to be mean to a dead person.

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

I would disagree, since a tablet is hardware whereas the OS is software. Also, it's kind of becoming a flame war...

Still it is all relevant. The iPad would not be the iPad if it ran DOS. The user has to interface both hardware and software.

Also, the comments about Steve Jobs aren't very nice. It's not good manners to be mean to a dead person.

I respect Steve Jobs and what he did for computing and society, but that doesn't mean I can't disagree with things that he's said and done just because he died.

stevetheipad wrote:

slinger wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

Slightly? Strongly arguing against a product you've never even really given a try seems to make your point very invalid to me. 

1. You're right, it can't do everything, but it can do everything 90% of laptop users do on their laptops. In fact, I can watch Scratch projects and make Keynotes on my iPad (myself).
2. Again, this is proof you haven't studied up on the iPad enough for this argument. The iPad doesn't ever have to leave your bag when going through security, "it's so light you can't hold bombs in it", a security officer once told me, while laptops have to be taken out, turned on and inspected. On top of that, the iPad weighs 1.33 pounds as opposed to an average of 4 pounds for even Netbooks!
3. Better study some more, I program on my iPad (myself) all the time. 

Um I have an iPod touch, it's very very similar. Despite what you say. Yes, I know it's a bit better but not by much.
1. Okay but what about the 10% that we are missing? Oh no, but I want to program or run other software other than the stuff that's approved by Apple D: Oh well, better get something that does what I need it to do (Android? Regular computer?).
2. Okay so that's an advantage. But I might mention that all tablets don't have to leave your bag. And um how is that proof that I haven't done my research? It seems to me like you're hanging on this one argument "You haven't don your research.". How am I supposed to know they don't have to leave your bag, I've never actually travelled with one >.>
3. Show me a working compiler. I program in Javascript on my iPod but guess what, Javascript isn't the only programming language out there! (It's actually a scripting language)

Edit: I'm not saying that the iPad is not useful, I'm stating my opinion. iPads have been known to help with business productivity BUT right now they seem more like entertainment devices than something you would use to write a report. I would use and iPad for travelling because it's really good for that ;p But I would not dream of developing serious applications on it. And as it stands right now Apple seems to not want open source applications for any of the iOS devices.

1. If you're really into programming, I suggest a Mac Book Air or Pro, but this is a tablet discussion, so can't really talk about that here.

2. That's not correct, some of the bulk ones have to be inspected. And what I was saying is that you shouldn't be arguing against something you don't know much about, you're points are extremely invalid sometimes because of this. And this is something you could figure out, it's a little common sense mixed with something you can research.

3. Okay, sure, here's one for ya.  .

Business productivity is just one of millions of uses, the iPad can be used so many ways. Yup - if you want to become a serious developer, obviously you won't just be programming huge projects on an iPad, you'll be doing it best on a Mac Book Air or Pro.

Also, note that I'm not mad with you, I'm just proving that the iPad is the best tablet and it's limits can hardly be seen. 

1. I use Linux.
2. Okay, so you actually think I've tried all of these out on the airplane? This is the kind of thing that you wouldn't really know until you try it.
3. I already have that and that's not a compiler. So much for development tools eh?

Yup, I'm not mad either, I agree that the iPad can be used productively but I also want to state my opinion. I hope I have not insulted anyone by stating my opinion D:

Last edited by slinger (2012-07-04 00:54:27)

Lol! That's a pretty good drawing 

Sweet! I was thinking you were using a mouse.
Still good drawing, what program did you use?